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Nicolas 12-05-08 02:00 AM

Im sorry if i created so much turbulence...
but:arrgh!:

So, having so many witnesses, lets leave the sin behind, and run with patience the career ahead, to the price, the crown that Jesus will give us.

If something you may want to try in your life... Is Jesus, what you loss on trying? you will be not dissapointed if you trust Him. Search i you will find, knock the door and it will be opened, call and...

I have this on bulletins i received by mail, maybe it becomes useful some day:
"To make that decision today, call us at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, toll free, at 877-2GRAHAM. Or click billygraham.org. "*

Sorry the bad english spelling.

*This is not advertising, i see all kind of links above of a lot of things, i do not work for the Billy Graham Association. I do not post this for profit.

kurtz 12-05-08 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicolas
Im sorry if i created so much turbulence...
but:arrgh!:

So, having so many witnesses, lets leave the sin behind, and run with patience the career ahead, to the price, the crown that Jesus will give us.

If something you may want to try in your life... Is Jesus, what you loss on trying? you will be not dissapointed if you trust Him. Search i you will find, knock the door and it will be opened, call and...

I have this on bulletins i received by mail, maybe it becomes useful some day:
"To make that decision today, call us at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, toll free, at 877-2GRAHAM. Or click billygraham.org. "*

Sorry the bad english spelling.

*This is not advertising, i see all kind of links above of a lot of things, i do not work for the Billy Graham Association. I do not post this for profit.

Not material profit, I imagine your trying to ingratiate yourself with Jesus, though :D

Frame57 12-05-08 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
There's no such thing as hell for an atheist, you've got to accept the fact that once you're dead your body will rot and feed the earth, and get over it :smug:

Hell is not biblical and it is because of gross translational errors. As is the idea of immediate life after death. The basis for Christian theology stems from Judaism and its belief system professes that the dead are dead until the resurrections.

Stealth Hunter 12-08-08 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl
There's no such thing as hell for an atheist, you've got to accept the fact that once you're dead your body will rot and feed the earth, and get over it :smug:

Hell is not biblical and it is because of gross translational errors. As is the idea of immediate life after death. The basis for Christian theology stems from Judaism and its belief system professes that the dead are dead until the resurrections.

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=400

Hell according to both the Jewish and Christian doctrines exists. It's right there, clear as crystal. You will go to Hell as far as the Christians are concerned if you reject Christ or sin.

Now unless you can give a valid and unbiased source that claims Hell doesn't exist but is only thought to because of "translation errors", then back down.

The Christian and Jewish theologies are still very different, Frame. The Christians follow the New Testament more closely than the Jews who follow the Old Testament. They do believe in some of the ideas in each book, but they still have conflicting views over issues. Take Jesus, for instance. While the Christians believe that Jesus was God's son, the Jews think he was simply a powerful man who was backed by God.

Frame57 12-08-08 12:17 PM

Dunno about backing down... But the the greek word used for hell in most reference is the word hades and it simply means "grave". I know of no Jewish person that believes in the christian version of hell. The view of hell comes from the greeks by and large and has been exploited into the doctrine by Dantes Inferno and other works. The Jews believe in the resurrections and appointed judgements to follow there after. They also believe in paradise being restored here on this earth and not in some ethereal place upon which the Messiah will establish and rule under a restored Davidic throne ruling from Jerusalem. Paul who was a Pharisee once also wrote extensively on this in the NT as well and i can find no contradiction in what he wrote that coincides with his doctrinal heritage.

Frame57 12-08-08 01:06 PM

Reference: The Doctrine of eternal punishment, by Thomas B. Thayer 1871


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