The fact of the matter is that it's the German members here, those who have the least right to point fingers and accuse anyone of anything, who continually refer to the US in an offensive manner.

Their constant whining and complaining gets old.

That said, this will be my last post in the thread.

Yes I agree we do still feel the effects, and so do they. However, maintaining old hatred and bigotry does not help matters. These are not the same Germans, Italians, Russians or Englishmen etc... that started that war 69 years ago and for us to continue the hatred cheapens the sacrifice of the brave soldiers that fought to bring to an end the most bloody conflict the world has ever seen.

p.s.

I am not interested in country bashing, we (the English) have been allies with the U.S. for many decades now and we have not allways seen eye to eye on many subjects, however i think they have a better track record than we have due to our empire building days. Don't get me wrong I am proud to be an Englishman but, we have a dark and bloody past.

I agree. And actually I had a very high respect and sympathy for the ideaos on which america was founded, for long time of my life. The Us could be so much better. But I also remember the very personal insultings and attacks I had to take when saying in the past that the US of today has distanced itself very, very far from the ideals of it's founders, and that the US of the second world war is very different from the US of today. Now seeing the immense damage the american model causes in the world, the costs needed to be payed and compensated by others - and at the same time America claiming it has no reason to change, and that it all works nice and well and that the failures of the past just happened because what caused the failures has not been allowed to unfold in enough unlimited fashion, my attitude towards the Us is changing. More and more the monumental arrogance and stubborness of this country dominates the impression I got of it. This change started sometime in the recent past, maybe one, maybe two years ago. Before that, for the 20-25 years before, I would have described my attitude as "critical, but well-meaning and hopeful" towards the US on an intellectual level, and as "friendly" on an emotional level. Today i must say, on an intellectual level it is "highly critical, disgusted and disappointed", and on an emotional level "neutral, tending to be very distanced". My old basic sympathies that even remained mostly unchanged during the first years of Bush and the Iraq war, and the better part of my life, is fading, and qickly so.

there is a golden myth at heart of this promise America is about, a myth about a noble dragon guarding a precious treasure. But it turns out the old dragon is dead since long, the guard now is just a pack of aggressive rats with rabies, and the treasure is some dirt and some rocks, alleged to be turned into gold in a better future once everybody has been bitten by the rats.

To say it in a poet's words:

Entzauberung.


( Ent|zau|be|rung f -, -en breaking of the / a spell (+gen on); (fig auch) deprivation of mystique; (von Vorstellungen) shattering, destruction
© Langenscheidt KG, Berlin und München und HarperCollins Publishers Ltd )

Wow, I'm just getting ready for work, and I have a headache reading this. Good points to almost one & all. I will leave you with my belief: the Fed's get away with certain things over states and to industries as well. It's the carrot and stick method. I'll give you one example. The speed limit. Fed's thought 55 mph on highways were safest for vehicles to travel. Yet, they couldn't legislate this upon the states (10th amendment) so..... they would cut off transportation funding, if the state would not toe the line. Same thing with the subprime loans. If you do not take x amount of crap loans then we will not lend you money. They had a safety net, the tax payer in the guise of Freddie and Frannie. All they are doing now is cutting out the middle man. :o

:rotfl: :rotfl: cause they started 2 world wars ? how about the US who has invaded 21 countries in the past 65 years?

Our fathers and grandfathers who either died or luckily survived the war must be ashamed to see how their grandsons still bash each other's countries by digging out stuff that happened before they were even born ... :doh:

I also cannot imagine anything more disgracing than degrading WW2 to some sort of sports event during which "asses are whipped".

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mea culpa mea culpa. you are correct.

This thread has sunk to the level of stupidity what you usually find in youtube comments.

''Germany gave hitler''
''America is responsible for the crisis''
''Germany started both World Wars''
and so on

GOOD JOB

HunterICX

That is not correct. I am sure you do see the differences.

Spelling/grammar on here is better, but the content is not

HunterICX

[quote=August]Of course. Still, a little healthy debate and a respect for other's opinions doesn't hurt the American ideal any, imo:up:

I pray that you are right, but I'll keep my guns, just in case.:D

OH MY GOD.

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wow...do you actually belive the crap you just posted ?

You don't have a god, remember Mr. Atheist?