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Raptor1 10-12-08 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
I think that politics shouldnt be talked about here, they seem to start arguements.

I thought politics are arguments by definition

Frame57 10-12-08 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
I didn't say socialism lacks law. If anything, as I understand it, it is more intrusive. So if I took off on a tangent, which I do from time to time, sorry.

But if you look at it, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism are all capitalist. Who "owns" the capital is the difference. Your capital is your means of production. Now if the US Gov. gets it's hands in the mix, it's a recipe for disaster. It takes our foundations and pushes them closer to the edge of the window. Especially since the primary job of the US Gov. is to secure and protect the rights of the people. Not to give them or take them away. Our rights according to the Declaration of Independence come from the Creator. Not from government.
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Amongst them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
"....that to secure these rights, governments are instituted amongst men."

Thankyou for the compliments on our attitudes of independence, liberty and personal responsibility. But it (responsibility) too is lacking here. On the financial end, how many people use bankruptcy as a way of getting out of their debts. Or how many people think the government owes them. We used to have thing here called debtors prison, and believe it or not, quite a few of the founders spent time there.

I really railed on a close friend who ran up thousands in business investments and then had the audacity to say that it was his right to file bankruptcy since he couldn't afford them. Most of it was in advertising, so the salesreps for these advertisers are guilty of misleading him, but as I told him, he is the most responsible as he is the one who signed off on the contract without thinking it through thoroughly. I was really steamed with this, as he came to me for council on this, and we went over the flagging economy, the fact that when the markets fall into trouble, he is going to fall on hard times. If the people with money don't have it to spend, what is going to happen to the general populace? And trust me, I'm no economist, I never studied it, other than the general education supplied by the public schools (at the time called civics), and recommended reading by my instructors. I couldn't afford college, nor could my folks, and back then, there wasn't common knowledge of grants, and government assistance for advanced schooling. See I did it again.

And I do not harbor any ill will toward the forms of government other countries posess. But to try to integrate them into our form of a Constitutional Republic is counter to what it was founded as. But for the last 90 years our country has been referred to as a democracy, as it is taught that way in the school system, which is incorrect according to the founders. So from a very early age children are indoctrinated to believe a false form. Even Thomas Jefferson who started the "Democratic Republican Party" never referred to our nation as a democracy, nor did Hamilton, Franklin, Madison, Jay, or the other men who argued over what we should have, once independence was secured.

But the more involved the government here gets with business, the closer to a totalitarian system we get. Whether it be any one of them.

Very well said...If you ran for office i would vote for you:D . What you said is 100% on the mark!

Task Force 10-12-08 12:49 PM

yes, but this realy is not the place, as you see people are abusing it, posting stuff like this thread. and lots of people take this stuff seriously and take the offence. Then the conflect gets larger. untill something happens and someone says something that gets them banned (aka keelhualed).

SUBMAN1 10-12-08 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
yes, but this realy is not the place, as you see people are abusing it, posting stuff like this thread. and lots of people take this stuff seriously and take the offence. Then the conflect gets larger. untill something happens and someone says something that gets them banned (aka keelhualed).

Excuse me man, but i just saw something on YouTube from another link and laughed a bit. I shared. Now the whole world sounds like its coming down. Maybe it was tasteless, but I didn't create it! I just shared.

-S

Task Force 10-12-08 01:06 PM

Sorry subman, wasnt directing it at you. Just this political stuff in gereral.;)

SUBMAN1 10-12-08 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
Sorry subman, wasnt directing it at you. Just this political stuff in gereral.;)

No problem.

The only reason it is so prevalent right now is we are one month from election day. Its going to be like this for only 1 more month. Then the Kool Aid runs out for both sides. :D

-S

Task Force 10-12-08 01:24 PM

Yea I see what you meen, The there is new commercial every day about the elections on Tv.:lol:

Biggles 10-12-08 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
Yea I see what you meen, The there is new commercial every day about the elections on Tv.:lol:

Ain't that weird is it?:know:

I'm James Bigglesworth and I approve of this message.

Task Force 10-12-08 02:23 PM

Its strange how they always approve trash on the other person even if its not true.:lol:

Takeda Shingen 10-12-08 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
where would you go, Takeda. The schemes and mechanisms/patterns of american campaigning are more and more copied in Europe and Germany as well. the plague is spreading, so to speak. It still may not be as worse over here as it is in your place - but we make good progress.

There's still Antarctica. If the penguin doesn't like you, he just bites you. He doesn't pay for a 60-second advertisement denouncing you to the world, and his penguin buddies don't get on their computers to blog about how awful you are.

Hylander_1314 10-12-08 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
I didn't say socialism lacks law. If anything, as I understand it, it is more intrusive. So if I took off on a tangent, which I do from time to time, sorry.

But if you look at it, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism are all capitalist. Who "owns" the capital is the difference. Your capital is your means of production. Now if the US Gov. gets it's hands in the mix, it's a recipe for disaster. It takes our foundations and pushes them closer to the edge of the window. Especially since the primary job of the US Gov. is to secure and protect the rights of the people. Not to give them or take them away. Our rights according to the Declaration of Independence come from the Creator. Not from government.
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Amongst them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
"....that to secure these rights, governments are instituted amongst men."

Thankyou for the compliments on our attitudes of independence, liberty and personal responsibility. But it (responsibility) too is lacking here. On the financial end, how many people use bankruptcy as a way of getting out of their debts. Or how many people think the government owes them. We used to have thing here called debtors prison, and believe it or not, quite a few of the founders spent time there.

I really railed on a close friend who ran up thousands in business investments and then had the audacity to say that it was his right to file bankruptcy since he couldn't afford them. Most of it was in advertising, so the salesreps for these advertisers are guilty of misleading him, but as I told him, he is the most responsible as he is the one who signed off on the contract without thinking it through thoroughly. I was really steamed with this, as he came to me for council on this, and we went over the flagging economy, the fact that when the markets fall into trouble, he is going to fall on hard times. If the people with money don't have it to spend, what is going to happen to the general populace? And trust me, I'm no economist, I never studied it, other than the general education supplied by the public schools (at the time called civics), and recommended reading by my instructors. I couldn't afford college, nor could my folks, and back then, there wasn't common knowledge of grants, and government assistance for advanced schooling. See I did it again.

And I do not harbor any ill will toward the forms of government other countries posess. But to try to integrate them into our form of a Constitutional Republic is counter to what it was founded as. But for the last 90 years our country has been referred to as a democracy, as it is taught that way in the school system, which is incorrect according to the founders. So from a very early age children are indoctrinated to believe a false form. Even Thomas Jefferson who started the "Democratic Republican Party" never referred to our nation as a democracy, nor did Hamilton, Franklin, Madison, Jay, or the other men who argued over what we should have, once independence was secured.

But the more involved the government here gets with business, the closer to a totalitarian system we get. Whether it be any one of them.

Very well said...If you ran for office i would vote for you:D . What you said is 100% on the mark!

Thankyou. :up:

Only trouble is, I wouldn't last long. Just as Kennedy, Garfield, or Lincoln. That's what happens to those who stray from the entities who pay for the election.:nope:

Skybird 10-12-08 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
where would you go, Takeda. The schemes and mechanisms/patterns of american campaigning are more and more copied in Europe and Germany as well. the plague is spreading, so to speak. It still may not be as worse over here as it is in your place - but we make good progress.

There's still Antarctica. If the penguin doesn't like you, he just bites you. He doesn't pay for a 60-second advertisement denouncing you to the world, and his penguin buddies don't get on their computers to blog about how awful you are.

If you think those penguins are the better humans, you better think twice.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/973/ulistein1po9.jpg

"Guys, don't do something stupid...!

Stealth Hunter 10-12-08 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
You know, the last political 'crusader' we had on this forum ended up in permanent exile.

I wish you still had your Ban-Katana, samurai mod.:yep:

baggygreen 10-12-08 07:17 PM

I can't see youtube clips at work..

for some reason i have a mental pic of BHO singing the aids song in the scene from team america.

Is that too far off?

JHuschke 10-12-08 08:40 PM

All choices for the election are terrible! Our best is McCain.


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