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SUBMAN1 06-18-08 05:27 PM

Chill out guys. Ducimus is just having a bad day. We all go through those days.
-S

PeriscopeDepth 06-18-08 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Not sure what this has to do with Obama being a retired Muslim but hey, that is just me.

They have an awesome severance package if it includes going for the Presidency. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN
Chill out guys. Ducimus is just having a bad day. We all go through those days.

This might be the best post in this thread.

PD

Sldghammer 06-19-08 12:11 AM

So you're saying that 25 or 30 or more years ago, Obama decided that he was going to run for POTUS and that when he would run, far in the future, America would distrust muslims, so he became a Christian to have a better image.

And no-one wold suspect that he was a closet muslim.

If he's that smart, I would vote for him.

Zero Niner 06-19-08 12:26 AM

Congressman Keith Ellison, a converted Muslim, wanted to use a Koran during his swearing in ceremony, and created an uproar in the process. Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1207/p01s03-uspo.html

I'd think a similar uproar would ensue if Obama tried to do the same.

As for Obama being a closet Muslim while professing the Christian faith, I find this so preposterous I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you Americans.

He's identified with the Christian faith for what, something like 20 years?

Is the implication then that Muslims have been secretly plotting against the West for all that time, and chose only to act during 9/11?

Islam is no monolithic religion any more than Christianity is. Like the latter, Islam has two main sects, Shia and Sunni, who regard each other at the fundamental level as apostates. This was one of the factors fueling the internecine violence in Iraq.

Even within each sect there are many "denominations" (for want of a better word) and even cults. Wahhabism, which comes from the Sunni tradition, is a relatively recent doctrine created in the 18th century.

There was a cult in Malaysia (teapot cult, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Kingdom) that was disbanded by the Malaysian government in 2005.

There is no central authority in Islam (compared to say the Catholic Church where the Pope is the authority).

Also, Obama being a closet Muslim would incur the risk of being labeled an apostate which in some Muslim jurisdictions is a serious crime.

Occam's Razor comes to mind.

Stealth Hunter 06-19-08 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Niner
Congressman Keith Ellison, a converted Muslim, wanted to use a Koran during his swearing in ceremony, and created an uproar in the process. Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1207/p01s03-uspo.html

I'd think a similar uproar would ensue if Obama tried to do the same.

As for Obama being a closet Muslim while professing the Christian faith, I find this so preposterous I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you Americans.

He's identified with the Christian faith for what, something like 20 years?

Is the implication then that Muslims have been secretly plotting against the West for all that time, and chose only to act during 9/11?

Islam is no monolithic religion any more than Christianity is. Like the latter, Islam has two main sects, Shia and Sunni, who regard each other at the fundamental level as apostates. This was one of the factors fueling the internecine violence in Iraq.

Even within each sect there are many "denominations" (for want of a better word) and even cults. Wahhabism, which comes from the Sunni tradition, is a relatively recent doctrine created in the 18th century.

There was a cult in Malaysia (teapot cult, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Kingdom) that was disbanded by the Malaysian government in 2005.

There is no central authority in Islam (compared to say the Catholic Church where the Pope is the authority).

Also, Obama being a closet Muslim would incur the risk of being labeled an apostate which in some Muslim jurisdictions is a serious crime.

Occam's Razor comes to mind.

Couldn't sum it up any better.

Enigma 06-19-08 12:49 PM

Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...

PeriscopeDepth 06-19-08 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma
Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...

By Obama's own admission he used to fit that profile. But judging by precedent, yes!

PD

AVGWarhawk 06-19-08 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma
Is it ok to elect coke sniffing recovering alcoholics? Just asking...

He sniffed but did not inhale. :up: All is well in the land. :shifty:

August 06-19-08 04:55 PM

I'm no fan of Obama but I will say i'd rather have a president who has made his share of mistakes, especially in his youth, than one whose entire past life is without flaw.

A sign of character to me is not whether one makes a miss-step now and then but how they get themselves back on track afterward.

SUBMAN1 06-19-08 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August
I'm no fan of Obama but I will say i'd rather have a president who has made his share of mistakes, especially in his youth, than one whose entire past life is without flaw.

A sign of character to me is not whether one makes a miss-step now and then but how they get themselves back on track afterward.

When someone has their hand on the button, we can't afford any miss-steps. I prefer a president that can learn from other peoples mistakes so he doesn't have to make the same one. Screw someone who screws up and can then get back on track. Wrong person to hold the office. We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

-S

August 06-19-08 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.

SUBMAN1 06-19-08 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August
Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.

True, but the size of ones mistakes dictates how big an idiot they are. To make a mistake is one thing. To purposely do something that is wrong for the fun of it is another. I've never done drugs in my life, so are you saying that I don't exist?

-S

PeriscopeDepth 06-19-08 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by August
Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
We need someone that doesn't screw up at all.

That person has never existed and would not be a member of the human race if he did.

Furthermore anyone purporting to have never made a mistake is a liar.

I've never done drugs in my life, so are you saying that I don't exist?

-S

:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PD

SUBMAN1 06-19-08 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PD

In that respect, air is a drug. Funny how you compare alc to cocaine though. I can see where your morals lie.

-S

PeriscopeDepth 06-19-08 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
:o

But you constantly post about beer??? Not that I mind, though.

PD

In that respect, air is a drug. Funny how you compare alc to cocaine though. I can see where your morals lie.

-S

Not really. They are both psychoactive drugs (alcohol and cocaine). Though cocaine is more destructive.

And no, you can't see where my morals lie.

PD


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