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Tchocky 10-26-07 09:16 AM

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The NOAA don't agree with this interpretation, SUBMAN.

Mine is NOAA data, so they do agree with my interpretation.

-S

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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=57

Sea Demon 10-26-07 09:24 AM

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Whats obvious is that you jump on anything at all that paints the picture you want but are too lazy to check if there is any accuracy in it. I picked one at random to research and stopped there because it's so obvious just reading his explanation that he's bs.
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Actually, I wish to show that there are other opinions out there that object to the :global warming hyteria" generated by people of Gore's ilk. I wish to show that there are many voices who object. This link shows that Gore's film , and "facts" within are debatable. It also shows that Gore doesn't kknow what the he## he's talking about. He's just another hack politician pushing some "global tragedy" snake oil. And there's many voices who object to his freak show.

Tchocky 10-26-07 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Whats obvious is that you jump on anything at all that paints the picture you want but are too lazy to check if there is any accuracy in it. I picked one at random to research and stopped there because it's so obvious just reading his explanation that he's bs.
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Actually, I wish to show that there are other opinions out there that object to the :global warming hyteria" generated by people of Gore's ilk. I wish to show that there are many voices who object. This link shows that Gore's film , and "facts" within are debatable. It also shows that Gore doesn't kknow what the he## he's talking about. He's just another hack politician pushing some "global tragedy" snake oil. And there's many voices who object to his freak show.

You've posted stuff from this guy before, Sea Demon. Hang on till I find the thread.
It is not a dissenting voice if it's being paid to be dissenting. Simple as. The articles you have posted do not show what you want them to show.
From Monckton at the SPPI. A man with no training in climate science, who runs an oil-and-gas funded think-tank. I'm sure this will be reasoned and non-biased.


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This was written by Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, who is a bit of a joke to climate scientists. his scientific training is in classics. But he has another qualification. Journalism. Reporting the Trojan war, perfect. Scientific papers on climate change, 100% useless. His scientific articles have been ridiculed, here for example.

Listen to this from the head of the SPPI
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Robert Ferguson, SPPI president, said: “In these excellent papers, Christopher Monckton presents his powerful case ad rem, not ad hominem – he addresses the facts, but does not attack the person. He is refreshingly different from other public figures who are apparently incapable of debating the science. Al Gore is still dodging Lord Monckton’s open invitation to public debate, preferring to cower behind the Maginot Line of a ‘consensus’ which, if it ever existed, is now in tatters.
Does he sound rational and fair-minded? Seriously?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=634875&postcount=167

just quoting myself, will look at the paper later, not holding out much hope, mind.

Sea Demon 10-26-07 09:42 AM

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You've posted stuff from this guy before, Sea Demon. Hang on till I find the thread.
From Monckton at the SPPI. A man with no training in climate science, who runs an oil-and-gas funded think-tank. I'm sure this will be reasoned and non-biased.
It is not a dissenting voice if it's being paid to be dissenting. Simple as.

No need Tchocky. Your article will be biased nonsense in favor of creating mass hysteria for the "global warming" tragedy people. For their own purposes or desires. There are many out there who disagree with the "whole world's coming to an end" nonsense that's spewing from the Internet these days. Did you know that most "published" scientists disagree with Gore and the "global warming" hucksters??? I posted a link in another thread. I'll try to find it. There are many voices in complete disagreement.

mookiemookie 10-26-07 09:47 AM

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Did you know that most "published" scientists disagree with Gore and the "global warming" hucksters??? I posted a link in another thread. I'll try to find it. There are many voices in complete disagreement.

Pardon the copypasta, but you're off base here.

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A question which frequently arises in conveying the scientific opinion to a broader audience is to what extent that opinion rises to the level of a consensus. Several scientific organizations have explicitly used the term "consensus" in their statements:
  • American Association for the Advancement of Science: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."[24]
  • US National Academy of Science: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."[25]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2005: "We recognise the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[26]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2001: "The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus."[27]
  • American Meteorological Society: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus. ...IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research. ... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change

Tchocky 10-26-07 09:56 AM

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No need Tchocky. Your article will be biased nonsense in favor of creating mass hysteria for the "global warming" tragedy people. For their own purposes or desires.

Sea Demon, this is very, very tiring.

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There are many out there who disagree with the "whole world's coming to an end" nonsense that's spewing from the Internet these days.
Yeah, there are lots of people who disagree. You're one of them. Unfortunately most of the people who know what they are talking about agree that anthropogenic climate change is a problem.
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Did you know that most "published" scientists disagree with Gore and the "global warming" hucksters??? I posted a link in another thread. I'll try to find it. There are many voices in complete disagreement.
Cool. *waits*

moose1am 10-26-07 09:56 AM

You nailed it! Those small minds have a lot of money invested in fossil fuels and they won't give that money up easily. They will do whatever it takes to deny the truth.

All Gore is a great man. Anyone that belittles him is Afraid of him! That's too bad and very sad!

One note: This warming is taking place a faster pace than ever before. What use to take thousands of years is not happened much faster.


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It amazes me how people politicize this issue. So what if the people who believe the scientific evidence of climate change are wrong? Then they're wrong and the world doesn't turn to desert and we all live a bit cleaner and less reliant on fossil fuels. Is that such a BAD thing? I hate the fact that it's even a debate. It's turned into "prove the other side wrong at any cost" without thinking why they're even fighting in the first place. Right or wrong, reducing carbon emissions and taking care of our environment is a good thing.

You know, I respect Al Gore for the work he's done in raising awareness of this issue, but I believe his role as a politician has created more divisiveness due to small minded people opposing his every view on the general principle that he's a "DADGUM LIB'RUL WHO HATES 'MERKA!"


Sea Demon 10-26-07 09:57 AM

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Pardon the copypasta, but you're off base here.

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A question which frequently arises in conveying the scientific opinion to a broader audience is to what extent that opinion rises to the level of a consensus. Several scientific organizations have explicitly used the term "consensus" in their statements:
Not at all. They have their own opinions and biases on the issues. There are simply too many dissenting voices who have other opinions. The barn-burners in the "global warming" movement want to do alot of things, some of which may be harmful. Before you burn down the barn, there better be a darn good reason. And so far, the "global warming prophets" haven't done a very convincing job. Almost every tragedy brought along by these types of frauds in my lifetime have been nonsense, or just turned into the next tragedy of the day. The Ice Age of the 70's became global warming. In the 80's the acid rain was going to kill all our crops by the end of the century. There was a prediction in the 80's about how the oceans will be depleted in 10 years....and on.....and on....and on.......

Here's a good article by Mr. Buchanan on the topic:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=58279

Sea Demon 10-26-07 10:02 AM

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Sea Demon, this is very, very tiring.

I'm sure it is. :lol: Be prepared to be exhausted because millions don't believe the hype. In 10 years I predict that the "global warming" issue will turn into some other disaster to sell to the "idealistic" types always looking for tragedy....

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8641

Sea Demon 10-26-07 10:06 AM

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Unfortunately most of the people who know what they are talking about agree that anthropogenic climate change is a problem.

There are meteorologists and other experts who would soundly disagree with you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811

Sea Demon 10-26-07 10:11 AM

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All Gore is a great man. Anyone that belittles him is Afraid of him! That's too bad and very sad!

I wonder why Al Gore never goes into any open forum to debate anyone on the topic??:hmm:

And why does he own those really really big homes of his????? You do know how much his energy bills are for those home don't ya'???


An Inconvenient Utility Bill?? :lol:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...rld&id=5072659

mookiemookie 10-26-07 10:31 AM

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Unfortunately most of the people who know what they are talking about agree that anthropogenic climate change is a problem.

There are meteorologists and other experts who would soundly disagree with you.:lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811

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Mr Avery is a fellow of the Hudson Institute, an independent U.S. thinktank that tends to side with big business.
Hmm...what reason could he have to disagree with environmentalists! :hmm:

Sea Demon 10-26-07 10:50 AM

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Unfortunately most of the people who know what they are talking about agree that anthropogenic climate change is a problem.

There are meteorologists and other experts who would soundly disagree with you.:lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811

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Mr Avery is a fellow of the Hudson Institute, an independent U.S. thinktank that tends to side with big business.
Hmm...what reason could he have to disagree with environmentalists! :hmm:

Or is it that his own views, education, and his own observed facts just match those of the businesss sector. Which is....the world isn't going to end tragically because the warming fraudsters say so. He and the business types aren't the only ones who disagree with "big environmentalism". ;)

bradclark1 10-26-07 01:21 PM

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There are meteorologists and other experts who would soundly disagree with you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...in_page_id=181 1

Lets look at these two experts.;)

Dennis T. Avery
He is the originator of a misleading claim that organic foods are more dangerous than foods sprayed with chemical pesticides.
He enjoys a high level of influence among some sectors, and his big-business-friendly articles are disseminated to thousands of newspapers as well as subscribers in governments, banks and businesses.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dennis_Avery

A pretty good enviromentalist plot :)
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1999Q4/avery.html

Another nut job.
http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/Myths/2002-0120avery.htm

Avery makes a lot of noise about belonging to the Hudson Institute. Now lets look at a few corporations that contributes funds to the Hudson Institute:

Monsanto: Their leading products are the Roundup herbicide, PCBs, DDT, Aspartame. Monsanto Co. routinely discharged toxic waste into a west Anniston creek and dumped millions of pounds of PCBs into oozing open-pit landfills.

Exxon Mobil

DuPont

Dow-Elanco: Agricultural Chemicals

American Crop Protection Association: Representing the manufacturers of pesticides and other agricultural chemicals.

CropLife International: A trade association representing the manufacturers of genetically engineered seed, pesticides and other agricultural chemicals.

Lets look at the other expert.

Siegfried Frederick Singer
In 1995, as President of the Science and Environmental Policy Project (a think tank based in Fairfax, Virginia) S. Fred Singer was involved in launching a publicity campaign about "The Top 5 Environmental Myths of 1995," a list that included the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's conclusion that secondhand tobacco smoke is a human carcinogen. Shandwick, a public relations agency working for British American Tobacco, pitched the "Top 5 Myths" list idea to Singer to minimize the appearance of tobacco industry involvement in orchestrating criticism of the EPA. The "Top 5 Environmental Myths" list packaged EPA's secondhand smoke ruling with other topics like global warming and radon gas, to help minimize the appearance of tobacco industry involvement in the effort. According to a 1996 BAT memo describing the arrangement, Singer agreed to an "aggressive media interview schedule" organized by Shandwick to help publicize his criticism of EPA's conclusions.
In a September 24, 1993, sworn affidavit, Dr. Singer admitted to doing climate change research on behalf of oil companies, such as Exxon, Texaco, Arco, Shell and the American Gas Association.
However, on February 12, 2001, Singer wrote a letter to The Washington Post "in which he denied receiving any oil company money in the previous 20 years when he had consulted for the oil industry.

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I just stopped any further research.

bradclark1 10-26-07 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
And why does he own those really really big homes of his????? You do know how much his energy bills are for those home don't ya'???:hmm::rotfl:


An Inconvenient Utility Bill?? :lol:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...rld&id=5072659

Two businesses are run out of his home. I can't think you can run businesses and live in a house without running up an electricity bill. Do you have an itemized bill of what items they run?


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