What revisionist tripe! Learn a little bit of elementary history in its original context: The Emancipation Proclamation.

Why dont you read it yourself:

" .. The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves; the Thirteenth Amendment did that."

" .. It was Abraham Lincoln's declaration that all slaves would be permanently freed in all areas of the Confederacy that had not already returned to federal control by January 1863. The ten affected states were individually named in the second part. Not included were the Unionslave states of Maryland, Delaware, Missouri and Kentucky. Specific exemptions were stated for all 48 counties that would soon become West Virginia, seven other named counties of Virginia, and for New Orleans and 13 nearby named parishes already under Union control, areas under Union control on January 1, 1863."

" .. Had any seceding state rejoined the Union before January 1, 1863, it could have kept slavery, at least temporarily."

" .. Some 20th century black intellectuals, including W.E.B. Du Bois, James Baldwin and Julius Lester, all described the proclamation as essentially worthless. Perhaps the strongest attack was Lerone Bennett'sForced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream, which claimed that Lincoln was a white supremacist who issued the Emancipation Proclamation in lieu of the real racial reforms that radical abolitionists were pushing for."

Got the gist now?

You left out an essential sentence"

"It first affected only those slaves that had already escaped to the Union side, but as the Union armies conquered the Confederacy, thousands of slaves were freed each day until nearly all (estimated at 4 million) were free by July of 1865."

There aren't too many men in history who, as a result of their words and direct actions, caused the freedom from slavery of millions of downtrodden people. Lincoln was one such historic man.

And all this goes without talking about the 13th Ammendment, also instigated by Lincoln, which closed down and legal loopholes throughout every last state of the Union.

Such an evil man. :yep: :yep: :yep:

I still dont see why you call me a revisionist on the grounds of a document you did not care to read. No offense taken, but weigh your words a bit more careful, will ya?

You did not link to the document - I did!

You chose to select your quotes, especially quoting the end of the article that there are indeed revisionist historians who cannot - heaven forbid - give Linclon the credit he deserves.
I stand by them, as I see your intentions. You did not even bother referencing the revisionist opinion yourself, just assuming we should swallow it as fact. But thanks for the opportunity for all of us to learn a little bit of important history.

Some Lincoln quotes on the subject of slavery. Take a hint:

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."

"In our greedy chase to make a profit of the Negro, let us beware - lest we cancel and tear to pieces even the white man's chance of freedom."

"In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free - honorable alike in what we give and what we preserve."

"Slavery is somewhat like the vein that you see on the back of a man's neck. If it were cut off immediately without the necessary precautions, the man could easily bleed to death. However, if it were allowed ri grow unattended, and without any kind of medical surgery, it could easily spread until it would completely disfigure or incapacitate the man. As the man must submit to carefully planned surgery to save his life from being destroyed by the vein, so must the nation carefully and tolerantly treat the problem of slavery in a way so as not to destroy the Union."

(The above quote has much to do in explaining with the Emancipation Declaration was drafted as it was.)

"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master."

"It is the eternal struggle between these two principles - right and wrong - throughout the world. They are two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity, and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You toil and work and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle."

"When I see strong hands sowing, reaping, and threshing wheat into bread, I cannot refrain from wishing and believing that those hands, some way in God's good time, shall own the mouth they feed."

"If we cannot give freedom to every creature, let us do nothing that will impose slavery upon every other creature."

"If I ever get a chance to hit this thing <slavery>, I'll hit hard!"

And so he did, G-d bless him.

Yes, the confederate soldier fought for the right of his state to succeed from the Union. Of course, that state suceeded over representation in congress for slave-holding terrirories and states. Accordingly, the average confederate soldier did not posses slaves, but, in effect, fought to preserve the south's slavery-based economy. As such, slavery was the root cause of the American Civil War, as it was the issue that singlularly drove the states' rights movement.

The 50,000 black confederate soldiers fought for their freedom. They were promised citizenship at the war's end.

My Grandfather was a member of the Merchant navy during world war 2 (Canaidian of course, im here in Newfoundland) How do you think I feel when im blowing up Canaidian ships in SH 3...then I remember its only a game.

Nepal.

Nazi Germany, obviously....

Why is this question even being asked?

The Nazis never hid their intentions, and went about it with a fair degree of enthusiasm. It's really a pity that they didn't last for another 8 months to a year. We could have dropped the A-Bomb on them instead.

I would rephrase that to read:

"It's really a pity that we didn't produce the A-bomb much sooner. We could have dropped the A-Bomb on them instead."

You fool, it was the Islamofascists.

I thought you were cool AL .. :-?

Thats a better phrase.

Thank you...yes. It was 3:30 am and I had just returned from patrol, and some Becks had been consumed. Grammar suffered.

Mistakes were made....

Because using nuclear weapons allways makes things better, its like a bandaid when you cut yourself in the finger.:roll: