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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

The problem with the Soviet front is that Hitler was obsessed with Stalingrad. If he had just encircled Stalingrad and left it to starve like Leningrad he would have been ok. Once Moscow had been taken the Soviets would have been more or less knocked out of the war. IIRC Army group centre was only about 30miles from the gates of Moscow? At the start of the war Hitler was a very clever man, but by the time Stalingrad came around he was a complete loony and hooked on god knows how many drugs. This ultimately led him to making disasterous decisions towards the end of the war. Its like if the generals had sent down the panzer division waiting north of the normany beach heads the invasion would have failed and the allies pushed back into the sea, but the generals didn't order the panzers to move because they were afraid Hitler might order them shot or something, especially after Rommel and other top ranking generals were pushed aside or accused of treason etc.

You seem to be forgetting the Russian Winter. They weren't prepared for Winter fighting and the option to starve out Stalingrad was simply NOT possible. Moscow wasn't taken because the supply lines were too long to safely protect. I wouldn't believe all the crapola that is circulating concerning Hitler's drug addictions and sanity. Don't forget the VICTORS get to write the history books and the view is almost always slanted against the losers. Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.

As to the Normandy beachhead...no way those Panzer divisions could have made one bit of difference. First of all, the Allies had complete air superiority, so moving them during daylight was impossible. Plus consider the size of the force opposing those Panzer divisions. The beachead was far too big and the numbers were far to great for the German divisions in France to be able to offer any meaningful resistance. As for Rommel...he WAS treasonous because he supported the attempt on Hitler's life.

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Originally Posted by Solidfart

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)

Sorry to cut in, but your missing out. With one of thje mod packs; (TMaru or RFB) and whatever else you would like to add from the TONS of available mods, SH4 not only works, it's darn near what I think the Dev's wanted to release. You should check it out..BUT it would be too cool if you GWX guys got a hold of it!:yep:

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Originally Posted by ichso

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whats this "IIRC" actualy ? i have seen it a few times but cant figure :doh:

If I remember correctly this means: 'If I remember correctly' :lol:

ah ok... thanks mate :up:

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Originally Posted by Solidfart

When SH4 works then I'll start to play it. Or if someone fixes it. GWX guys?;)

I haven't bought sh4 yet. I don't know anything about sh4 mods. But I've been reading threads about sh4 and official patches. With 1.3 it doesn't appear to work yet. But if mods fix it perhaps I should buy it and try it. 50 euros is bit steep. Perhaps when the price drops.

Wow,talk about rewriting history to fit your own narrow viewpoint....

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.

So I guess Lincoln was lying when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and everyone, even modern day history books and scholars and people with a functioning brain-stem, still buys into the fabrication the Civil War was about slavery. That Lincoln, what a jokester. Fooled everyone into thinking the seminal reason the Union was fighting the South was because of slavery...and all because of the Emancipation Proclamation which says the war was about ending slavery, but that was all obviously either faked or just a little ol' misunderstanding on Lincoln's part. :roll:

Interesting reading here,mates.:yep:.. But try to keep on topic, guys.. I would hate to move this to the general topics forum.. :up:

Haven't moved to SHIV. Watch Das Boot for the XXth time and got the bug. Reinstalled SHIII on my new system and installed GWX. It's a whole new game... with GWX changes and the new system running 1680x1050 4xAA I'm happy like a pig in.. :rock: . Maybe once the GWX crew or something as complete is done for SHIV.

PS. Thanks GW :up: .

T.

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

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Originally Posted by joea

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Originally Posted by Deputy

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Originally Posted by Lible

And a thing not the fault of this game - American subs are not good at all.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:yet they won.

No surprise...quantity over quality. The Allies are lucky the Type XXI wasn't put into mass production earlier. It would have been a whole different ballgame :smug:

Not really, actually you are partly right, the German boats were better, but they could not match Allied production.

The Japanese didn't protect their shipping til it was to late, if the US had proper torpedoes the war would have been over a year earlier.:nope: IE. No Iwo Jima, Okinawa, or Hiroshima.

Anyway, I do think the US radar and TDC were better...but not the torps. :rotfl:

Germany chose Quality over Quantity
mix that with Hitler declaring war on multiple fronts like Russia which became his doom. if Hitler leaved Russia alone and nothing happend between the 2 nations it would have been different probally we would have spoken german all over europe.

Hitler himself has a part in the loss of the war, as he was stuborn and a complete maniac. thought he has been in WW1 he had No Military intelligence over strategics and important decisions.
I really hate him for letting thousands of men rot in stallingrad for his cause.

just be glad that it happend this way. as I wouldnt have a good night rest with hitler's picture hanging above my bed...:dead:

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

I played a few mission in carreer mode ('always partol Chinese sea') and stopped. After 1.3 I played it one evening. By now I'm back at SH3. Ubi should have perfected the Atlantic theatre adding more immersion such as wolfpacks, enigma, snow etc. Slaughtering Japs is no fun at all.

GWX obviously :lol:
I have purchased a copy of SHIV via SS but will wait until it's a little more playable :arrgh!:

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Same thing happened after the American Civil War. It all became about "ending slavery", which is complete BS.

The Lincoln vision can certainly be gleaned from views such as the one he expressed in an 1862 letter to the New York Daily Tribune: "My paramount object...is to save the union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it..." The imperative of keeping the races apart is another reoccurrence in Lincoln’s addresses.

Ol' "Honest Abe" was a real joker allright. He didn't hesitate to violate Constitutional rights when it suited his purposes. As in the Constitutional right of Habeus Corpus.
The Emancipation Proclaimation...here's the lowdown on that scam...

For one, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation guaranteed that slaves were freed only in the parts of the Confederacy inaccessible to the union army. Union soldiers, for their part, were permitted to confiscate slaves in rebel territory and put them to work for the union army. In areas loyal to the union, slaves were not emancipated. After the war, Lincoln offered little land to the freed men; most of the land was parceled off to his constituent power-base, the railroad and mining companies.

The economic undertow offers better insight into the Lincoln mission. The South, which supplied 75 percent of exports, was on the cusp of becoming a low tariff, free trade zone. Lincoln feared this would disadvantage the North, and in particular his rich industrialist supporters. Much like the Canadian equalization payments through which the government plunders the West, Lincoln imposed punitive tariffs as a means to distribute wealth from the South to northern manufacturers.

If you are gonna use examples, make sure you know what you are talking about FIRST. :nope:

Dep

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Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

FYI....he was a Corporal at the end of WW1. And that Corporal went on to conquer ALL of Europe and part of Africa. Yeah....he really didn't know squat about tactics. :roll:

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Originally Posted by Deputy

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Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Shure he had no understanding of strategy and tactics.
Privates never have,thats one reason why they are privates.:hmm:

FYI....he was a Corporal at the end of WW1. And that Corporal went on to conquer ALL of Europe and part of Africa. Yeah....he really didn't know squat about tactics. :roll:

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Wasn't aware he conquered ALL of Europe :hmm:

Well...he didn't invade Spain...but he didn't have to :D And Sweden was a non-entity that neither side bothered with. Ditto for Switzerland...although they weren't exactly "enemies" of Germany.

I tried to move to SH4. It was so buggy I gave up b4 1.3 was released I should try again but its hard given my earlier frustration........one of these days perhaps.