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Carotio 05-13-07 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly
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Originally Posted by Carotio
Another rule proposal:

- One modder cannot use the mods of others, if he/she denies the use of his/her own mods!

It's either free of use (with credits) or "no go" both ways!
Anything else is double morale and pure egoism!

And how would that work ?

GWX is a team mod
So if I say anyone can use my GWX single missions\ships etc then I can add other mods to GWX
BUT other GWX members dont want their stuff used so they cant add nothing ???

?????????

Another half assed idea

Like this whole discussion!

Yes, GWX team are surely well skilled enough to do their own mods from scratch, which some of you tell all the time! Then do it! Include no other mods than the mods of the team members! Also exclude all external content like music! Go compose some synthesizer music yourself to include etc. Do everything by yourself, if you don't want to share anything!

Again a provocative post, which anybody probably can't seen the joke about...
This whole discussion is a joke!

Spytrx 05-13-07 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Carotio
- My supporters rarely write supporting posts here at subsim, they use PMs or mails!

Rofl! :rotfl:That was good one!

true none-the-less

just like people of the opposition try to 'change' the minds of those still not following the GWX party line... :x very mature, I have to say
(I find help elsewhere then)

bigboywooly 05-13-07 03:45 PM

The vast majority of the mods in GWX are from the GWX team
Whats the point of building another ship that someone else has built just for the sake of it ????
Every shipbuilder contacted is happy to have the ships included in GWX so they are used and seen as they were intended to be when built

Its beyond the realms of most ppl playing this game to script new shipping in the right places

Take Geromes heavy Br cruisers
D\L them yourself and add them in your install
You will never see them as there are no entries for them in ANY campaign files in any majormod released on here UNTIL those ships were released

Same goes for the majority of specific shipping\aircraft

The credits in the GWX manual include the credits from GW
Not all of those mods are still in GWX as have been superceded by GWX team ones and later community mods but the original credits are still there

Carotio 05-13-07 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly
The vast majority of the mods in GWX are from the GWX team
Whats the point of building another ship that someone else has built just for the sake of it ????
Every shipbuilder contacted is happy to have the ships included in GWX so they are used and seen as they were intended to be when built

Vast majority means most but not everything! Right?
Then GWX was not built from scratch as some of you always claim!

So what's the point of scripting an event that someone else has scripted just for the sake of it ????

I'm sure they were happy to have their work included in GWX!
Which makes me wonder: why are some GWX team members then grumpy about having their work included in an alternative mod, which differs from the original GWX work and appears different!?

Dowly 05-13-07 03:53 PM

@Carotio

The only joke in this thread is you. Would you behave like this if it was someone else who made this topic? I'm guessing no. :roll:

Dowly 05-13-07 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Carotio
Then GWX was not built from scratch as some of you always claim!

Mate, you should really stop here. You are making an butt out of yourself. It only takes 5 secs to take a look to the manual and see that there are credits for people who's models/graphics/sounds/mods have been included partly or completely in GWX.

I have never seen any of the dev team saying that everything in GWX is made from the scratch by the GWX team.

bigboywooly 05-13-07 04:03 PM

Because one ship is just one ship

GWX as a mod is a COMBINATION of that one ship plus HUNDREDS of other parts from the GWX team and others
A lot of them you will never see or know are there

And why script something because someone else has ?
Because scripting isnt easy and ppl want to keep their scripts to themselves

I would happily have used the Weserubung from WAC as it was already done but Hans didnt want that so I scripted my own
I could have just used it but he said no so wasnt used

Simple really

If someone released a ship we wanted to use and they said no then it wouldnt be used and may possibly be made by someone on the team

Working for GWX is free and very time consuming
If you can include a ship\unit someone else has built then its a great timesaver for us and for them the ship gets used as intended
Everyone is a winner

Totally different to cherrypicking someone elses months of long hours\frustration and hard work just because you are too lazy to do it yourself

I could add every city you have added in GWX and make your mod redundant
Whats the point
The dev team arent interested and neither is the bulk of GWX users

Anyway this thread is about ethics not you or GWX

From now on the GWX credits will probably contain the line Ducimus proposed about no usage by anyone unless permission asked
Has been asked before and granted

Simple

No permission no use
Thats the rules I adhere too

Carotio 05-13-07 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly
@Carotio

The only joke in this thread is you. Would you behave like this if it was someone else who made this topic? I'm guessing no. :roll:

Well, that's your opinion! But maybe, just maybe, some read it and think some of you are just as much a joke as me! :yep:

Besides, who behaves how against who?
Would you all write like you do, if it wasn't me? :hmm:
No, and that just shows this is some sort of personal vendetta against me and anybody else who thinks otherwise than you!

And there you go, why I write how I do! This whole discussion started in two ubi threads, where a mod there asked the discussion to take place elsewhere. Continuous attacks there against me and a theft-accusation here can't stay unanswered, and you know that! If several people continuously attacked you, you would defend yourself too, don't fool yourself! :nope:

bigboywooly 05-13-07 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Carotio
theft-accusation here can't stay unanswered, :nope:

Was made by a member of the forum
Not by a member of GWX

Dowly 05-13-07 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Carotio
If several people continuously attacked you, you would defend yourself too, don't fool yourself! :nope:

Nope, I would call them a ********** a**h**** and get myself keelhauled. :rotfl:

bigboywooly 05-13-07 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by Carotio
If several people continuously attacked you, you would defend yourself too, don't fool yourself! :nope:

Nope, I would call them a ********** a**h**** and get myself keelhauled. :rotfl:

Ah more potato peeling

:rotfl:

Spytrx 05-13-07 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly
@Carotio
The only joke in this thread is you.

I like the way it get's personal when arguments fail to jump to mind - very clever


Again the indications are that if GWX wants - it gets -- by any means necessary
And crediting is due from others... I have been asked in an e-mail not to comment anymore because this thread borders on getting out of hand and way off topic, but just for a laugh I read the credits of your 'handbook' - incomplete would cover it nicely I'd say - but by your own new standards that you have set today that should be rectified with an update in the very near future no doubt


Since the whole tone of the discussion is getting towards personal abuse, the set discussion about the two points that were suggested are sidetracked in favour of the latter, and the opinion of those that weren't here from day one (see, I was only born the day I logged in here, no previous live, no experience in any field besides being a dumb noob (as I was called in another mail, nice touch)) I'd be calling it a day before the threats (and spelling mistakes in them) burst my sides

bigboywooly 05-13-07 04:23 PM

And what part of the GWX manual credits are incomplete ?

You wouldnt know as you dont know whats in GWX

We could easily resrt to personal attacks but too low

Facts do the talking so no need for them IMHO

Spytrx 05-13-07 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly
You wouldnt know as you dont know whats in GWX

And you know that how?

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Facts do the talking so no need for them IMHO

the first quote shows how much you stick to facts (maybe the ones in your own mind, who knows) -

'nough said

Dowly 05-13-07 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spytrx
I have been asked in an e-mail not to comment anymore because this thread borders on getting out of hand and way off topic

:o

You needed someone to e-mail and tell you that?


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