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Ducimus 02-16-07 03:08 PM

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wasn't aware the IX could dive that deep, a plus no doubt. I would think since we all run the game with different collection of mods and such specifics may vary, Im confused though and perhaps Im referencing information not exactly concurrent with game mechanics, feel free to alternate a reference but;
Technical information for type IXC/40 ... Max depth:ca. 230 m
(755 feet)

Technical information for type VIIC/41 ... Max depth:ca. 250 m
(820 feet)

http://www.uboat.net/types/index.html
From accounts ive read, boats could acutally dive deeper then what uboat.net says. The same is true for just about any submarine really. From accounts to what uboat.net says, i think the truth is somewhere in between. Simply put, water pressure fatigues a hull. A submarine which was capable of diving to say 280 meters, may not be able to reach that depth in a couple years hence.

I think there's an account out there somewhere of a submarine which went into an out of control dive and went ALOT deeper then anyone would ever have attempted. When they got control of the boat, surfaced, and got it back to port, my understanding was that the pressure hull was so stressed, that the boat had to be scrapped.

Ducimus 02-16-07 03:11 PM

Oh since the 7 vs 9 debate has come up (7 of 9? :hmm: treky i am not, but i couldnt resist), this old post of mine is probalby worth reposting here:

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i think one of the biggest draw's to type9's isn't just the boat by itself. I mean, yea sure, the fuel and torpedo's are big perks. and granted The view from the bridge might make you feel like your in command of a submersable destroyer or something, but i dont think thats it.

I think the biggest draw is in just how campaign games seem to be played out, as compared to a campaign in a type7.

You know what i REALLY dislike about type7's? Absotlutely nothing.

Infact, i love the way they look, i love their handling, i auctally enjoy having to not worry about all those externally stored torpedo's, and only 1 aft tube to worry about. Hence, not always looking for an opportunity to use my aft before my bow torpedos. I like not having to worry about that.

But all that said, i hate using them in campaign games. Nothing is as boring to me as sitting in some grid in the middle of the atlantic, waiting for a convoy to appear. A patrol grid in a type7 is just a formality. Theres really nothing special about a grid in a type7. You go there, you do your 24 hours, and then you move on. Yes, you do the same thing in a type9, however, the getting to the grid in itself is an accomplishment.

A grid in a type9 game, represents an entirely different theater of the war. If you get a CA grid, you know your going to the US East coast. If you get a ED grid, you know your going to the carribean. If you get a ES or ET grid you know your going to freetown, and the areas around the equator. If you get a GR grid, you have my sympathies, but you know your going to capetown an the south atlantic. So although you get a grid, and move on just like a type7 game, the grid itself represents a tangible objective because it represents an entirely new theater in the conflict.

So you have to get there, learn and work the area, and get back. Often patrolling in your theater of operations, you have smaller, more clear cut defnable objectives. Your more apt to find landmarks of one sort or another that create chokepoints or whatnot, that you can clearly see, "now theres an area i should check out". In a type7 career game, it just doesnt feel like that to me. Patrolling the A grids, to me sucks. Just this big body of water, and a whole lot of guesswork, with no destination, or clearly defined objective.

On top of all that, the passage of time to advance the games timeline in a type7 game is acutally longer then in a type9. To me passage of time, advancing later into the war creates a feeling of progression in the game. Now You can play a patrol for a 3 hours a night for 2 or 3 days, and have only advanced the gameclock by a couple of weeks. 30 days at best in a type7. In a type9, ive advanced the gameclock in the same amount of real life time, by about 2 or 3 months.

danurve 02-16-07 03:11 PM

Khourieat; Orders? Resupply at Bergan and go through the Sappa flow channel :o

Khourieat 02-16-07 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by danurve
Khourieat; Orders? Resupply at Bergan and go through the Sappa flow channel :o

But!! But!!! I'm finally in Brest now :damn: you want me to cross the English channel AND the Scappa Flow channel?? That's madness!! Why...it's just plain crazy!

It's just...insane...and...ok, I'll do it :up:

Only on a VIIB though, I'd stick out like a sore thumb otherwise.

<~~~ Not ACTUALLY going to do that.

Gezoes 02-16-07 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by danurve
Gezoes; nice patrol, that log from SH3Commander?

Thanks m8, and yep :up:

I only added the return to port date and some handy returns. Don't get why the two pyro's didn't get named though, might be because I started SH3GWX up with the .exe instead of via SH3Commander? I seem to remember doing that sometimes... oh well.

The Western approaches proved fine hunting grounds. I'm off on my forth IX patrol now, to the EJ quadrant, so I guess that's the channel again! :huh: Fortunately it's not 1942 or further.

The VII is great, but I miss a lot LOL. I need the eels :smug:

If you see a black, rusty IXB rushing towards a convoy out there, it could be U-123 trying to dive because it's Kaleun knows it can get under in, lord behold, 35 seconds :rotfl:

Jimbuna 02-16-07 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by danurve
Khourieat; Orders? Resupply at Bergan and go through the Sappa flow channel :o

He forgot that one small word...................'surfaced' :rotfl:

Gezoes 02-16-07 08:09 PM

Summary
Oberleutnant z. S. Jup Fliegerhosen and U-123 surrendered to the Allies on 28FEB40. Jup Fliegerhosen was sent to a POW camp in Scotland where he spent the rest of the war. Jup Fliegerhosen died on 3 June 2000.

Ah crap! Good thing I surfaced and decided to click a certain link in SH3 Commander :hmm:
I got old :huh:! And at least half the crew survived :up:

U-123 was surrounded entering the channel on patrol 4 by no less than 6 DD's and some Elco's. She blew ballast after two hours of heavy bombardment and about 16 casualties. What worked in 1939 was a lucky shot, lesson learned hehe. Shame about the renown though.

Ofcourse this loss will have to be replaced :stare:

I'm thinking, France is invaded, and Fliegerhosen had a son :smug:

Eagle Eye 02-17-07 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by danurve
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Originally Posted by Corrupt_File
Face it, IX's are for us guys that like to be known to last for a long time.

:dead: yaaaawn

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Originally Posted by Corrupt_file
VII's are known for their small size, limited firepower and range.

Realy now, ..
Well lets see currently on patrol in AN 58-59, & 72-73 my poor ill-equiped VIIB has polished off 2 C2's, 2 C3's, foul weather & seas on the heavy side. Not to mention a torpedo boat 88`ed after I snuck into the shallows so I could load externals, all the while dodging 6 spitfires and evading 2 DD's. 6 steamers left, probably 2/3 fuel reserve.

How's your last patrol in that IX sonar magnet going? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Quite well, I actually got to see the Bismarck in BE53 and took out out the King George the V, Aftr that I sailed down to my patrol grid off the coast of Africa
attacked two convoys in route claiming a pair of C3's a whale factory ship, and a pair of tramp steamers sailing alone so far. I have pictures of the battle I'll post when I get back from Denver this week.

But I like the type 7 I want to try a 7 in the med for my next career

Eagle Eye 02-17-07 05:46 AM

I've attacked plenty of convoys in my IXB, I havent had any major problems yet. I can't wait to upgrade to IXC and go visit the East Coast US.

Mush Martin 02-17-07 06:18 AM

IX's are just the fightinest boats of the bunch in the german inventory.
:arrgh!:

danurve 02-17-07 12:32 PM

http://huntny.us/images/VII_IX.gif

Jusa_Finn 02-17-07 12:44 PM

Nice gif. Well done, though I prefer IX.

andy_311 02-17-07 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin
IX's are just the fightinest boats of the bunch in the german inventory.
:arrgh!:

Couldn't agree more:rock:

Captain Norman 02-17-07 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED
New York, New York can a Type VII sail there, NO. :rotfl: :rotfl:

What are u talking about U-boat captains got their Type VII's all the way to the Caribbean by carefully managing fuel and battery reserves, ive gotten to New York City and back to St. Nazaire in my Type VII.

azn_132 02-18-07 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Norman
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Originally Posted by STEED
New York, New York can a Type VII sail there, NO. :rotfl: :rotfl:

What are u talking about U-boat captains got their Type VII's all the way to the Caribbean by carefully managing fuel and battery reserves, ive gotten to New York City and back to St. Nazaire in my Type VII.

Like goin a kt only? And look for milkcows on the way? Or u use the unlimted fuel?


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