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flintlock 02-11-07 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by immortal44
Do we know if SH4 supports dual core

I haven't read any official information on whether or not SH4 shall support multithreading. My guess is not, simply because it's essentially the same engine as SH3, and if it now supported multithreading, Ubi's marketing deptartment would likely have advertised this tidbit.

TDK1044 02-11-07 08:22 AM

Forum members with low to mid range systems can help themselves by closing down applications like virus scan and screensaver during the game. They will notice a big difference.

Also, I see people posting that they think they'll be fine because their graphics card has 512MB of RAM. The fact of the matter is that 256MB of RAM is more than adequate on a graphis card for this game and it's the speed of the card and the version of pixel shader supported that matters. My 256MB GeForce 7600GT card beats the pants off quite a few 512MB graphics cards I can think of.

GakunGak 02-11-07 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044
Forum members with low to mid range systems can help themselves by closing down applications like virus scan and screensaver during the game. They will notice a big difference.

Also, I see people posting that they think they'll be fine because their graphics card has 512MB of RAM. The fact of the matter is that 256MB of RAM is more than adequate on a graphis card for this game and it's the speed of the card and the version of pixel shader supported that matters. My 256MB GeForce 7600GT card beats the pants off quite a few 512MB graphics cards I can think of.

Including mine X1600Pro? Just kidding...
What the hell, I just wanna be able to run it, no matter the details.....:smug:

immortal44 02-11-07 06:47 PM

Forum members with low to mid range systems can help themselves by closing down applications like virus scan and screensaver during the game.

Great point. You can obviously shut stuff down using ctrl-alt-del but if anyone doesn't know you can edit startup by going to start-> run and type msconfig. Select selective startup, disable load startup items, then go to the services tab, select hide microsoft services, then select disable all. Press apply, then exit and restart. When the system restarts only essential programs will be loaded, freeing up as much cpu and memory as possible. This doesn't stop you from using applications, it just doesn't start them when you load windows.

GakunGak 02-11-07 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by immortal44
Forum members with low to mid range systems can help themselves by closing down applications like virus scan and screensaver during the game.

Great point. You can obviously shut stuff down using ctrl-alt-del but if anyone doesn't know you can edit startup by going to start-> run and type msconfig. Select selective startup, disable load startup items, then go to the services tab, select hide microsoft services, then select disable all. Press apply, then exit and restart. When the system restarts only essential programs will be loaded, freeing up as much cpu and memory as possible. This doesn't stop you from using applications, it just doesn't start them when you load windows.

Or you could just unload Kaspersky....:|\\ :smug:
Kidding, good post...

02-11-07 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flintlock
Quote:

Originally Posted by immortal44
Do we know if SH4 supports dual core

I haven't read any official information on whether or not SH4 shall support multithreading. My guess is not, simply because it's essentially the same engine as SH3, and if it now supported multithreading, Ubi's marketing deptartment would likely have advertised this tidbit.

Ok..lets take the worse case scenario and assume there will be no multithreading.

What does that mean for us with Duo Core Processors like a C2D 1.86?

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 07:29 PM

set affinity for the game for both cores and/or overclock ive heard that 90% of the c2d 1.86 ghz can overclock to 2.8-3.0ghz !!!! but u have to have a gogod motherboard and good ram.

GakunGak 02-11-07 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
set affinity for the game for both cores and/or overclock ive heard that 90% of the c2d 1.86 ghz can overclock to 2.8-3.0ghz !!!! but u have to have a gogod motherboard and good ram.

I would not recommend messing with overclocking, instead wait for a patch that will fix this issue, if present!

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 07:41 PM

me being a hardware pro my advice is to be listened to :up:
pentium 4 used something called net burst architecture, where the cpu used long but small amount of pipelines, like for ex 1 long gas pipe thats very very wide in diameter, and used speed in hertz to counter the effects of only one pipeline, basically like a high pressure fat water pipe, now amd's 64 socket 939 whcih came out had much shorter pipelines but more of em and they didnt have to be such a fast speed thats when u see amd 64 athlons at 2-2.2 ghz beating pentium 4 extreme editions at 3.6ghz and faster. amd's 64 had much more pipelines which where lower speed and slimmer, thus they were cooler then the p4 prescott(notorious for high heat) and it didnt have to use much voltage to run. now Intels core 2 duo is similar, BUT there pipelines are fatter, more of them, and higher clocked, heat is still a problem but since they are using different ingredients (more $$$) they are a litle bit cooler) the c2d now outperforms the 64, THIS year AMD will be releasing their "barcelona' quad core which has a specially designed new architecture and for the first time in quad cores L3 cache, which helps alot in server processing and a 60% boost in gaming (AI computing, physics etc...) reviews have said barcelona wil run at high speeds will drainining a whopping 110 watts this is very VERY low for a quad core while intels use around 150-200 watts on full load. so hold your horses for c2d because barcelona will be here mid 07 and amd always releases every 2 years something that beats intel, intel released the pentium 4 to beat the amd athlon xp s462 line then amd released amd 64, staying ahead of intel for a few years, now intel releases c2d and amd releases osmetihng even better mid 07, c2d was jus a bump on the road, pentium 4 was a big achievement and when intel does that big achievement again then u can go nuts on intel cuz then intel will rule for a few years until amd releases something even better.

hope i helps

cheers

02-11-07 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
me being a hardware pro my advice is to be listened to :up:
pentium 4 used something called net burst architecture, where the cpu used long but small amount of pipelines, like for ex 1 long gas pipe thats very very wide in diameter, and used speed in hertz to counter the effects of only one pipeline, basically like a high pressure fat water pipe, now amd's 64 socket 939 whcih came out had much shorter pipelines but more of em and they didnt have to be such a fast speed thats when u see amd 64 athlons at 2-2.2 ghz beating pentium 4 extreme editions at 3.6ghz and faster. amd's 64 had much more pipelines which where lower speed and slimmer, thus they were cooler then the p4 prescott(notorious for high heat) and it didnt have to use much voltage to run. now Intels core 2 duo is similar, BUT there pipelines are fatter, more of them, and higher clocked, heat is still a problem but since they are using different ingredients (more $$$) they are a litle bit cooler) the c2d now outperforms the 64, THIS year AMD will be releasing their "barcelona' quad core which has a specially designed new architecture and for the first time in quad cores L3 cache, which helps alot in server processing and a 60% boost in gaming (AI computing, physics etc...) reviews have said barcelona wil run at high speeds will drainining a whopping 110 watts this is very VERY low for a quad core while intels use around 150-200 watts on full load. so hold your horses for c2d because barcelona will be here mid 07 and amd always releases every 2 years something that beats intel, intel released the pentium 4 to beat the amd athlon xp s462 line then amd released amd 64, staying ahead of intel for a few years, now intel releases c2d and amd releases osmetihng even better mid 07, c2d was jus a bump on the road, pentium 4 was a big achievement and when intel does that big achievement again then u can go nuts on intel cuz then intel will rule for a few years until amd releases something even better.

hope i helps

cheers

Thanks! .....but you lost me after "pentium4"....:oops:

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:35 PM

:damn::damn::damn:

IN SIMPLE TERMS HERE HOW CPUS GO im using water pipes (house pipes, pvc etc..) as an example

Pentium 4 : Long pipeline with faster water rate with only 1 pipe thats big in diameter (high flow rate)
AMD 64 Socket 939 and AM2 : 4 short pipelines with medium water rate and medium in diameter
Intel Core 2 Duo: 6 short pipelines with fast water rate and fat in diameter
AMD Quad core Barecelona (07): 16 short pipelines with uber fast rate and obese diameter

hope that helps if it doesnt then ill have to draw a pic and if i do i wont be a very happy member ;)

Amd baecelona uses L3 cache its a form of memory on the CPU chip directly inside the core, basically L3 = 8 pipes underground 8 pipes above ground effienctly almost doubling the processing power.

flintlock 02-11-07 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magua
What does that mean for us with Duo Core Processors like a C2D 1.86?

I think it means you'll be pleasantly surprised by the performance of this powerful little processor, even if SH4 is a single-threaded app thanks to, among other things, its intelligent architecture. The E6300 is a serious little contender.

GakunGak 02-11-07 08:40 PM

And what will it mean for us with P4 HT @3.0?:hmm:

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
And what will it mean for us with P4 HT @3.0?:hmm:

lol god help u and ur cpu. i suggest save up asap sell ur comp and rebuild, or stick with it till summer 07 then get quad core barcelona and run sh4 on dx 10 with a 8800 or better

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:46 PM

u will be able to run but u will see peformance issues , stuttering, artifacts (cpu heat), lag on time compression, i get no time compression lag on 4096 it runs so smooth i can alt tab out of game on 4096 time compression and start up a movie and watch while my uboat is travelling to US east coast:arrgh!:

edit* then again i do have a socket F AMD quad core setup (2 amd fx 1207 pin fx74 cpus at 2.8ghz (each r dual core so 2+2=4 cores)

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=5738 my motherboard

and 2 of these http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=5851

as u can see very expensive stuff $$ but it pays off in the end.


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