So you're recommending they just be beaten and/or shot like they would have in the old days instead of using non-semi-mostly non-lethal weapons?

Wait up a minute VON_CAPO, did you just said: When I mentioned China and Teheran, which makes even more sense now that we know the guy here is an Iranian-American, didn't you said that those locations didn't mattered because we were talking about the USA here?

Now you want to look at worldwide experience? Now the rest of the world is important?

My my, are we contradictory?

Here's the quote: But you show no problem talking about China here: If you want to compare police equipment and abuses between countries you must also accept to compare psychology and freedom.

If we reduced the size of the federal government, reduced the authority of the federal government*, made states more responsible for balancing their own budget without federal support, and increased the pay of police officers.

Yes. People shouldn't need a beanbag or a taser to motivate them to follow the instructions of a police officer.

We need to increase the confidence that people have in the police force by making the police force something respectable. Enforcing personal responsiblity in our judicial system would make it possible to have a respectable police force, along with the other "reforms" I have mentioned.



(* Blanco should be held accountable for not requesting the national guard. I am absolutely horrified that the president now has the authority to move in troops without the specific request of the state governor. That was the wrong way to address the issue. Don't vote in a governor that has to check the f*cking polls before taking action.)

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44 out of 83 possibles for stunner use there.

Sounds a bit harsh, but you takes the money, don't moan when crimms shoot guns at you. Same with military peeps, if you didn't want Iraqi insurgents shooting at you, don't sign up.
Sure the cops have a hard job, but they all know what they're letting themselves in for, indeed many of them enjoy the excitement/challenge of the job (from the horses mouth that one).
Using a stunner on someone who already has the cuffs on is just cruel and unnecessary imo. Any anyone who does so doesn't deserve to be a policeman.

Like Tycho says, some folk need a bit more respect taught to them when growing up and the institutions like the police need more confidence and integrity visible to joe public.
I was always brought up to respect the law etc, but some of my polite dealings with the enforcers of those laws over the years have been less than cordial in their response to my obvious respect for their position. Result- I have no faith or trust in the ability of the police to do their job and not abuse me in the process. More than ever in recent years has this become apparent to me as an inevitable consequence of lowering the standards bar across the board.
Sign of the times or what?

Funny. Sounds like plain boring law enforcement to me.

Oh.

Fascists often wear uniforms. So do police. See the connection!

:roll:

Should I understand that you have got experience in this kind of issues? :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Probably about the same amount as you VON_CAPO.

I am astounded, you people justify or downplay torture against american civil population. :o:o:o

If humans rights cares so little to you, do not think it would better if a psychiatrist administrate the electroshocks??? :hmm:

It would be safer for the victims, and complainers would be handled in a better efficient way. (you know, soviet style is called). :|\\

No, I have a problem with people crying wolf about their civil rights when they don't respect the rules. Before attending UCLA, he signed a form that he would follow the policies of the university. He refused to follow the policy, and then went on about the Patriot Act, which had nothing to do with him refusing to leave after not showing his id. Multiple witnesses have stated that the roving id checks were going on for 5-10 minutes before getting to him and he complains that he was singled out due to his race.

Well, it is not about civil rights only, but something higher called "human rights".

Also, an authoritarian view of society & rules would lead us to retreat to the medieval age.
If you do not know, the medieval age is called "dark age" in the history books. :|\\

EDIT: Did you see the other people complaining about being asked for id?

Like the right to incite a lynching?

It' snot only the police been rude against the student, here against a woman protester.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2292911

I have the impression that you do not have the point.

What is the central subject here?
a) Rules and to ask for ID.
b) Torture and human rights violations.

The answer is pretty obvious. Do not you think?

Well, here it is something that your are dragging through many posts and threads.
It is "text comprehension failure".
Let's analyze the sentence:
-- Clear demonstration of legal torture ---> An opinion or fact, it depends of the legal frame.
-- at many parts of the civilizated world ---> Here I was making a composition of place.
It denotes different places than USA, but also similar (civilizated world).
-- these abusers ---> The subject of the sentence.
-- would be lynched by the people at once ---> Here is where you have troubles.
"Would be" denotes a potential circumstance and a consideration.

But you are affirmating over and over again that I am "inciting a lynching".
Why is this??? :hmm::hmm::hmm:
The only logical deduction is that you are not able to distinguish "would" from "should".
The original phrase is "would be lynched by the people at once".
But you understand "should be lynched by the people at once".

My dear friend, that is one of basic reasons I usually overlook your posts. :|\\

EDIT:
Also I would like to remind you the post #32:

[quote=VON_CAPO] I have the impression that you do not have the point.

What is the central subject here?
a) Rules and to ask for ID.
b) Torture and human rights violations.

The answer is pretty obvious. Do not you think?

Well, here it is something that your are dragging through many posts and threads.
It is "text comprehension failure".
Let's analyze the sentence:
As evident...you don't overlook them just as I could say the same. The whole issue was started by a person who refused to leave when he didn't follow the rules. You are the one who misses the issue beyond your own tunnel vision.

EDIT: Not only did he refuse to leave after told the first time, he went limp on the floor like my 11 year old son because he was corrected in a public place and wanted to get his way. Unfortunately, the person he was with felt embarrased and gave him what he wanted. This guy gave his hissy fit and is getting all the attention he wanted and more.