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JU_88 12-01-19 02:05 PM

Yeah pretty much everything you mentioned is now privatised in the UK apart from the NHS and Royal mail. (did I miss anything Jim?)
Most happened under Thatcher, here is actual video footage of them doing it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP6CbYu3T7Y

As far as what the Brexit outcome will be, all bets are off as far as im concerned, Brexit is (like the EU itself) and just about everything else the west has done for the past century - an experiment.

Jimbuna 12-02-19 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 2638724)
Yeah pretty much everything you mentioned is now privatised in the UK apart from the NHS and Royal mail. (did I miss anything Jim?)

The government completed the disposal of its shareholding on 12 October 2015, when a 13% stake was sold for £591m and another 1% was given to employees. In total the government raised £3.3bn from the full privatisation of Royal Mail.

JU_88 12-02-19 06:44 AM

Ahh thanks, I guess I wasnt paying attention, The question is, when our goverment runs out of things to privatise, will they just privatise them selves? :)
Its good to keep some services socialised, but 'socialised everything' = crap.

STEED 12-02-19 07:55 AM

My research into the letter would suggest they got hold of my info as a statistic, not my private medical records just a sanitised piece of short info. Possible from other places that had my info, mate i know said it would be hard to prove as the letter was written in such a way as to cover themselves from legal issues.

All I can say the NHS would have not given access and as i had let's say third party dealings at the time they may have not be as secure.

No point fighting a battle that i can not win. If they ever pull a stunt like that ever again in my life time I will have ago at them without going any further.

STEED 12-02-19 08:15 AM

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The UK Independence Party has launched a "Brexit and beyond" manifesto with a commitment to leaving the EU on 31 January 2020 without a deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50628082

The dead parrot is dead and yet it has no idea it is dead.

I predict no seats for UKIP.

Jimbuna 12-02-19 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 2638783)
Ahh thanks, I guess I wasnt paying attention, The question is, when our goverment runs out of things to privatise, will they just privatise them selves? :)
Its good to keep some services socialised, but 'socialised everything' = crap.

I only remember that because I purchased shares both time round :03:

Jimbuna 12-02-19 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2638794)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50628082

The dead parrot is dead and yet it has no idea it is dead.

I predict no seats for UKIP.

I doubt anyone would need a crystal ball for that assumption.

Jimbuna 12-02-19 02:14 PM

Do they honestly believe the electorate actually believe these fairy tales?

Labour has announced plans to slash rail fares by 33% and simplify ticket prices for part-time workers if it wins the election on 12 December.

The party also wants to make train travel free for young people under the age of 16 and build a central online booking portal with no booking fees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50621621

Catfish 12-02-19 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2638848)
Do they honestly believe the electorate actually believe these fairy tales?[/url]

For a moment i thought you meant brexit.

Skybird 12-02-19 05:20 PM

Four days old, but who cares.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ght-exist.html


Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.

STEED 12-02-19 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2638848)
Do they honestly believe the electorate actually believe these fairy tales?

Labour has announced plans to slash rail fares by 33% and simplify ticket prices for part-time workers if it wins the election on 12 December.

The party also wants to make train travel free for young people under the age of 16 and build a central online booking portal with no booking fees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50621621

It's all BS for those fools who will vote for their filthy rotten stinking BS & lies.

What next, free money for all who vote Labour and big tax breaks with a out standing pension!

JU_88 12-02-19 05:53 PM

Free broadband
Free Trains
Free University education


LOL, Except none of it is actually free is it?, you'll pay for it via taxation. or they borrow so your grand kids will still be paying the intrest in 2050.

Labour remind me of my Mobile phone company "hello sir, since your are a loyal customer, we'd like to offer your a FREE tablet..... for only £25 per month. :hmmm:
Labour or was it Mayor ken Livingston? (former Labour) made buses free for under 16s in the early 2000s and everyone hated it, bored chavy kids just used buses as place to 'hang out' and anti social behavior on them sky-rocketed until it was scrapped.

mapuc 12-02-19 05:59 PM

Before Boris got his extra election on Dec. 12, what was the common thing the British people was discussing, beside this Brexit ?

Here in Denmark and Sweden, our politician seems to be an expert on hearing what's going on in the society and make promises during an election campaign and thereafter....seems to have forgot it.

During the election in 2015 people discussed refugees and immigrants...politicians made lots of promises.

This year-people was discussing Climate our politicians made lots of promises.

Markus

JU_88 12-02-19 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2638877)
Before Boris got his extra election on Dec. 12, what was the common thing the British people was discussing, beside this Brexit ?

Here in Denmark and Sweden, our politician seems to be an expert on hearing what's going on in the society and make promises during an election campaign and thereafter....seems to have forgot it.

During the election in 2015 people discussed refugees and immigrants...politicians made lots of promises.

This year-people was discussing Climate our politicians made lots of promises.

Markus


I cant even remember tbh, probably ISIS, Europes migrant/refugee crisis, wealth inequality, NHS and all the usual stuff. 2014 -2015 was probaly about the time I started to notice the economy had 'stabalised' but some thing was going horribly wrong with both sides of the political spectrum in the west, fringe right 'foaming at the mouth' talking points where heating up. And the fringe lefts virtue signaling and moral gatekeeping only made it worse.... And so the Trump/Brexit division was born.

Catfish 12-03-19 02:29 AM

https://i.imgur.com/x5htDoml.jpg

Catfish 12-03-19 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2638869)
Four days old, but who cares.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ght-exist.html
Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.

Indeed the event itself is from 2011, but it is certainly only to the neutral information of the interested reader that the Daily Fail publishes it now, close to the election :03:

Denying Israel its existence.. as far as i know England itself tried to do exacly that before and after WW2? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...n-to-palestine

Jewish Refugee Ships heading for Israel were attacked by the british after WW2:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mi6-at...ips-after-wwii

Israel is building lots of settlements in occupied umm "disputed" palestinian land to create a status quo that cannot easily be changed, so criticising Israel for what it does now may have some reasons, even if you are not anti-zionist or anti-Israel. What Trump does and says is not helpful as well, but certainly welcomed by the israelian right wing.
There has to be a two-state solution, and denying or not mentioning that is wrong.

JU_88 12-03-19 04:40 AM

The alleged Anti semitism is only the tip of the iceburg for the modern Labour party really. There is no easy way to fix the Israel/Palastine issue, but taking sides certainly wont help.
I understand historical wrongs of Isreal, The British and the west in general and the danger posed by the far right and blind nationalism
- but the jeeze Lefts current 'solution' runs along the most polarising crap:

Constant display of White guilt and loathing of their own culture while gushing over others - so as to appear morally superior and virtuous.
Childish belief that oppression and privelege can simply be messured by a persons physical attributes.
The rascist right sees a persons race and assumes their culture and behavior is inferior
The rascist left sees a persons race and assumes victimhood and an inabilty to make it the world without their sympathy help.
Both are borderline sociopathic.

What else?
The conviction that a more 'just society' can be made by applying different rules & standards for different 'groups'. (Yeah Hitler and Stalin thought the same, didnt work too well did it?)
Expanding word definitions to point where they become meaningless. Calling some one a rascist or a fascist carries no wieght if you use it against anyone in disagreement with you even if they are just milktoast conservative or what ever.
Pro Censorship, if its offensive it should be banned or punishable by law. "I belive in freedom of speech.... BUT') The old right used to push that and it killed them.
The only way you can ever be 100% certain you will not cause some offense to someone is to not speak at all.

Swaths of Labour and the modern left have adopted this naive 'bigotry born of empathy' matra and while I hesitate to brand it has outright hateful as the fringe rights delusions, its dishonest and divisive and very creepy.

And unlike its right leaning counterpart - its being spun as socially acceptable though media (as wokeness) and being taught to young people in our institutions (as social justice).
As long as it continues, the lurch to right should not be surprising.
Oh and when confronted neither side will clean up their own crap, so they just argue with WHATABOUTERY, e.g "yeah, but what about..." (insert some wrong on the other side of the spectrum)
So lazy and cheap.
I used to vote labour, but like Steed I cant easily vote for anyone now. Not when my vote just feels like throwing more fuel on the fire - no matter who its for.
I'd vote if though it was actually helpful in the long run.

Jimbuna 12-03-19 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2638866)
For a moment i thought you meant brexit.

It is in large part Corbyn who will get Brexit through because of his unpopularity with the electorate.

Jimbuna 12-03-19 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2638869)
Four days old, but who cares.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ght-exist.html


Disgusting monkey this little Marxist is. And dangerous.

https://i.postimg.cc/x1XfY4BC/783141...69918208-n.jpg

Jimbuna 12-03-19 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 2638876)
Free broadband
Free Trains
Free University education


LOL, Except none of it is actually free is it?, you'll pay for it via taxation. or they borrow so your grand kids will still be paying the intrest in 2050.

Labour remind me of my Mobile phone company "hello sir, since your are a loyal customer, we'd like to offer your a FREE tablet..... for only £25 per month. :hmmm:
Labour or was it Mayor ken Livingston? (former Labour) made buses free for under 16s in the early 2000s and everyone hated it, bored chavy kids just used buses as place to 'hang out' and anti social behavior on them sky-rocketed until it was scrapped.

Pretty much sums it up for me Francis and I was a party member for over two decades :yep:


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