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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2587011)

All this reminds me of a story once told by Paul Watzlawick, a famous psychologist and communication theoretician...

An amusing parable.

The people have become soft. They willfully choose to no longer exercise their democratic control over their elected politicians. The people now prefer others to think about and plan for the future and then tell them what is in their best interests. Thinking for oneself is hard and takes valuable time away from the mindless entertainment on the TV meant to keep them occupied. Citizens now follow the "leader" as long as there is no obvious apparent detrimental change in the daily status quo - free cheese from the Govt, income support, healthcare where treatment is available before one's foot falls off etc...

The politicians love it. They work day in and day to to enrich themselves, pad their pensions, squabble among themselves to appear to be principled on behalf of their constituents and at the end of the day scurry home and count their newly acquired shekels and prepare to repeat the effort the next day.

Brexit cannot be successfully negotiated by politicians who really do not wish to leave the EU. This concept should be clear to any non-comatose individual. Economic aspects of Brexit need to be worked out by business and industry leaders who are even more selfcentred than the politicians. Border controls need to be addressed by common folk who understand the concepts of cultural identity and who fear/worry about their way of life radically changing with the introduction of non-compatible cultural influences from abroad. Politicians need to be reigned in and made to work within the constraints set forth by the people, who are supposed to be the ones in charge, not the other way around.

You Brits are going to lose big time if you do not see the current events for what they really are - politicians working to advance an agenda that benefits them, not necessarily you. The foxes cannot be allowed to implement the security for the hen house nor should their input be considered when right thinking individuals need to protect their own interests. Self determination takes some work. It is a right that should not be abdicated to someone else without very careful consideration and assurances that those who you entrust are really looking out for you.

Good luck, but I fear this may be your last best change to get your country back. The political hook has been set a long time ago and without a very concerted effort to break the tether, Britons will soon find themselves flopping around on the deck of the EU long liner because that is where the current UK parliament actually wishes their citizens to be.

God save the Queen and Britain itself...

I know the Monarchy stays out of internal politics. I understand the current political situation in the UK is a sticky mess of political quicksand. I get that it is easier to do nothing and remain above the fray but is this not the type of issue that a Monarch is in a perfect position to referee?

It is not the duty of the Queen to intervene at the behest of the people and the country when the political conflict of interest is so apparent? Is it not imperative for the Monarch to define the Empire, to protect the people when the politicians are incapable of doing so themselves?

Is the cultural, political and economic sovereignty of the country not worth the time and at least for the duration of this current crisis deserving of the suspension of the practice of noninterference with Parliament?

Clearly this is a time where the politicians are going to fail to protect the citizens by acts of commission and omission. If not the people or the politicians or the Monarchy, who will ensure the political and economic sovereignty and the very survival of Britain?

If the EU is such a welcome idea, why not just call that geographic block Europe and be done with all the distinct countries. You know or at least you should know that this is where the EU is headed next...

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2587019)

^ Which is what i do not understand, it was all laid out months ago. Maybe May had a communications problem? No, i do not mean this as a joke.

@Skybird what you refer to is the cargo cult? Whatever, a lot of deals are being prepared behind closed doors indeed, like it or not.

Not really, and not tehcnically, the cargo cult phenomenon is something different, although it points at the same direction, the irrational belief in magical behaviour, so to speak. Watzlawick told the story in a speech I have on tape, to illustrate that even animals, not just humans, fall victim to this kind of cself-onstructing realties by our own definitions and then expecting them to work out as we expect them to do. The dog believed in a causal contexts that it had created in its mind on the ground of past experiences, habits. But they were never real.

Humans do this all the time. It makes our autopilots fly blind - and with us not beign aware of their activity.W e only get alarmed when there is a disruption - an empty milk bowl for example, and even then we find it difficult to give up our belief in magic. Quite some of our daily routines and activities and behaviour, is "cultist". It reaches quite far, even into science. For exmaple nutrition and health advice.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2587031)

May must inform the Commons on Monday in person or via a letter if she prefers, what her next plan is and the vote on said plan will take place on 29th January.

Not much time to formulate a plan byut sufficient to negotiate it.

Hopefully all sides will come up with something that can be moved forward on.

No Plan-B time to face facts we are staying in the EU.

Corbyn is doing himself no favours by refusing to talk with May. He insists she must drop a No Deal Brexit before he will engage but that simply tells the EU to dig in because the deal they have offered and refuse to shift on would eventually be the one settled upon.

I noticed Diane Abbott, you know, the one who would become Home Secretary in the event of a Labour Government and the true socialist who sent her child to a private school appeared on Question Time last night and managed to make a complete fool of herself judging by the reactions she got from the audience.

It pains me to see the depths my former party have sunk to and even more so when I take into consideration the fact that the Tories more or less have a free hand in how the country is governed.

What an absolute mess :nope:

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Corbyn could face string of resignations if he backs 'people's vote' https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=mailsignout

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New plan to stop no deal: Now Labour MP Yvette Cooper tables draft laws to let MP seize control of Brexit - as May faces mass resignations if she tries to stop them https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...hem/ar-BBSpt6p

It's only a mess because the politicians seem to have a free hand to make it one. MP's seizing control from the sitting government and ignoring the public's orders, in the Navy that is called mutiny.

It's all about power and control, the politicians want to keep it, and the people have lost it. The problems presented by Brexit really have very little to do with Brexit and everything to do with a broken and unaccountable political system populated by sycophantic bullies.

Yep, I reckon there is some weight in what you're saying :yep:

Australian TV speaks the truth on Brexit

Sorry can't get the embedded link to work on subsim. Right click copy & paste I guess if interested in watching it.

Some people get it, even if they are Australian. LOL!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9eHb3WUqg&feature=youtu.be

I have said it for years politician's no longer work for us the voter and it stands out now like some one ramming dynamite up your rear end. And yet the voter is still fast asleep and will remain asleep when that fuse is lit.

STOP VOTING FOR THIS SHOWER THEY DON'T DESERVE OUR VOTES!

Gee, your politicians are nearly as bad as Australia's!! :timeout:

They're not public servants anymore, they are public masters (or dictators)!!

It's not very often that an opportunity of such national importance comes around. The politicians are distracted determining a new pecking order at the trough.

Borrow a play from the yellow vests and mobilize Britons to come out and demand the return of their sovereignty and nothing less. Lots of unemployed hooligans these days lounging around watching the tv, put them to work generating news content to force the proper agenda on the politicians.

If you sit back and just watch, there is a good chance you'll lose your country, again.

Meanwhile on a more serious note, Speaker Bercow could be denied a peerage for what many in Parliament consider to be his bias toward Labour plus the fact he admitted he voted to remain in the referendum and has faced repeated allegations regarding bullying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46913477