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Schroeder 02-06-16 10:00 AM

^The last time someone in Germany suggested getting Lebensraum in the east it wasn't received so well by the rest of the world...;)

ikalugin 02-06-16 11:30 AM

This time it would be an altruistic attempt.

Catfish 02-06-16 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2379632)

I don't get what happens there, seems some thugs wanted to rob the store, or a scrapping?

Anyway it is not sure who does anything against whom, though the shopkeeper is certainly right in defending.

What does this have to do with a migrant problem? The thugs could be german, or it could be "migrants", it could be anyone against the shopkeeper.

What does this video prove? :hmmm:

Catfish 02-06-16 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2379711)
A semi troll post:
The reason why many people emigrate out of sub saharan africa/northern africa/ME/central asia was... climate change and deterioration of farmland.

Well we are in for a climate change no doubt, but imho we will get that with or without politicians deciding anything.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

The last time we had high CO2 levels some 1000 years ago, the northern Sahara was green due to lots of clouds, created by higher temperatures – induced by higher sun activity, a cycle coming around again now.

Schroeder 02-06-16 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2379769)

If she abides to the rules and is escaping war or threats to her life she's a refugee. If she comes from a safe place, commits crimes here, disrespects the local populations and just wants our welfare then she's a criminal economic migrant who has to be deported. Why is that so difficult?

mapuc 02-06-16 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 2379784)
If she abides to the rules and is escaping war or threats to her life she's a refugee. If she comes from a safe place, commits crimes here, disrespects the local populations and just wants our welfare then she's a criminal economic migrant who has to be deported. Why is that so difficult?

And what if a person is escaping war or threats to his or her life and after have been permitted asylum, refuse to learn the language in the new country, commit crimes

Markus

mapuc 02-06-16 04:37 PM

A 10 year old boy from Austria, Wien, was raped by a refugee. In his defense this refugee said "It was a sexual emergency" because he had not had sex for months


The rape took place on December 2, but police have not published the details now

Link (German)

http://www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Bub_...d-Story-494653

Do understand that this person IS NOT=every Muslim

I wish though that this person and them like him is kicked far away from our countries here in the west.

Markus

Betonov 02-06-16 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2379793)
And what if a person is escaping war or threats to his or her life and after have been permitted asylum, refuse to learn the language in the new country, commit crimes

Markus

Deported still.

Schroeder 02-06-16 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2379796)
Deported still.

^This.

Betonov 02-06-16 04:52 PM

I'm all for deportation. Use it hard but use it fair.

Skybird 02-06-16 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2379793)
And what if a person is escaping war or threats to his or her life and after have been permitted asylum, refuse to learn the language in the new country, commit crimes

Isn't your answer coming all by itself, mapuc? If you are in desperate need and want somebody to help you, you better don't piss him - and accept his rules and terms. Period.

If you are guest in a foreign home, you do not piss your host, but accept his house rules. Period. And you certainly do not start to steal your host's silver spoons and harass his daughter.

Especially even more so when you have much at stake yourself - like beign threatened with loss of life or torture in your country of origin.

I wonder what can be unclear there. Its common sense.

Rockstar 02-06-16 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2379805)
No arguements from me either. If they can't abide by the law of the land then they leave the land, as simple as that.
Heck, if only native born criminals could be deported too...maybe to an island...

Nah, that'd never work... :O:

Doesn't see the humor.
http://theburtonwire.com/wp-content/...igines-460.jpg

Catfish 02-06-16 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2379763)
Well, thanks to the poor english of the video title I cannot be sure if it's refugees doing the attacking or refugees being attacked. Plus the Kebab master was also non-German, so basically, an attempt was made to remove kebab, but it failed.

Have a productive day cycle.


No, i just asked what the video proved, or should prove, since you posted that. You must have had an intention, and for what i saw it only proves that people can be donkeyholes, regardless where they are from.

I am not really afraid of immigrants, aliens or whatever you call them. Some may be criminal, and police and military will deal with them alright.
The problem is that those criminals serve to be the scapegoat for all the crime that happens, for giving pretexts to hate anything "alien" abused by "Pegida", right-wingers and some neo-nazis, raising their ugly head again. Those guys in the video can well have been disguised germans, trying to attack a turkish or whatever shop owner. It could be even recorded in the US, who knows.

We have no migrant problem, at least not in the scale as it is perpetrated in the effin' media. We have our own Fox news/Sun/whatever those media parasites are called in other countries, trying to arouse the masses.

What i do not like is, that only Germany seems to have welcomed refugees at all, of all european countries, at least at a smaller scale.

Now when the brown mass hits the fan, and some criminals also managed to intrude this perfect Europe where no criminals ever lived, that all violence and crime is blamed on them. Giving the aforementioned pretext, to raise fear, and get some nice new laws through, to e.g. supervise everyone and eavesdropping, "for their own safety"!

So those countries can then lay back and say "See, we were right all the time, Germany is doing it all wrong". And then have their own nice pretext for letting no refugees into their (God's [sic!]) own country, and leave the EU. See: Poland (but they are on the way to dictatorship anyway, wtf is going on there?), but also Cameron and his England. The fear of alien invasion? Do a referendum. Well if you can get votes with it.

And why don't the US invite those refugees, which only exist at all because of the very US "engagement" and the "coalition of the willing" in the Middle East? Saddam and his WMD, my donkey.

"Thank you."

mapuc 02-06-16 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2379806)
Isn't your answer coming all by itself, mapuc? If you are in desperate need and want somebody to help you, you better don't piss him - and accept his rules and terms. Period.

If you are guest in a foreign home, you do not piss your host, but accept his house rules. Period. And you certainly do not start to steal your host's silver spoons and harass his daughter.

Especially even more so when you have much at stake yourself - like beign threatened with loss of life or torture in your country of origin.

I wonder what can be unclear there. Its common sense.

In a perfect world yes but the world ain't perfect. If you knew how many stories from Denmark and Sweden I have read and heard, where a refugees can't speak the language even though he or she have lived there for years and refugees who commit crimes after crimes and when the attorney want them kicked out of the country their supporters always say-No you can not expel him-he would face certain death if he returns home to his country a.s.o

Markus

Schroeder 02-06-16 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2379813)
What i do not like is, that only Germany seems to have welcomed refugees at all, of all european countries, at least at a smaller scale.

You forgot Sweden....


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