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Jimbuna 10-28-19 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2634474)
Reminds me of some German politician, some backseater, who many years ago in some long-forgotten context talked of a "variable ultimatum whose terms could be negotiated according to both side's needs". :har:

Yep, you simply couldn't make this ridiculous scenario up :)

Jimbuna 10-28-19 01:05 PM

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Johnson agrees to Brexit extension - but urges election

Labour has "run out of excuses" for opposing an early general election, Boris Johnson has said, as he made a fresh push for a poll in December.

He said "nobody relished" going to the polls in winter - but this Parliament had "run its course" and was "incapable" of delivering Brexit.

The PM has formally accepted the EU's offer of a Brexit extension until 31 January 2020 agreed earlier on Monday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603
The vote will take place approx. 7pm tonight but my understanding is that Steptoe has given orders that Labour MP's should abstain from voting therefore denying Boris the two thirds majority needed for a general election.

I've also heard that the northern group of MP's are starting to get uneasy with the way Labour are blocking everything and especially those MP's from northern constituencies who voted to leave.

I wish David Miliband would make a return.

mapuc 10-28-19 01:34 PM

By following your comments and following the news here i came to the conclusion

In the end of the 60's and the 70's you had Monty Python flying circus
In the end of the 70's and the 80's you had Dave Allen
In the end of the 80's end most of the 90's you had Red Dwarf
(maybe not correct in years or decade)

Today you have English Parliament.

Markus

Jimbuna 10-28-19 01:43 PM

More like Planet of the Apes or One Few Over the Cuckoo's Nest :03:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxJbWw4j/u-g-PXJGG60.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pTSfqLGn/406e65...955b520e96.png

Jimbuna 10-28-19 02:07 PM

MP's have voted to reject the December 12 election plan so next up we should see a short bill that will only require a simple majority.

STEED 10-28-19 06:51 PM

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Brexit 50p coins to be 'recycled' after PM accepts extension
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50215983

Up to 10 million...:har:

Sell them on eBay, I bet they would sell like hot cakes for more than their face value.

Skybird 10-29-19 01:34 AM

Occasionally, some commentators over here in Germany argue that this is the way democracy works, and that we should give it the space and time for these processes, for that they were textbook exmaples for how democracy works.
I say this is how you maximise the abuse to derail the thing until is is just dead smear on the wall it raced into at highets possible speed.

This is not it.

And people wonder why "extremists" rise outisde the traditional party spectrums, and why this poll in England some days ago showed how many polled people were in acceptance of violence against parties and politicians? I were not that much surprised or shocked at all.

I think some of these party leaders and career politicians indeed could serve a good service to their country: by loosing their head as a signal, warning and motivation for the rest to think about themselves less and about their duties more.

When somebody volunteers for politics and cares for a career in it, it is almost always already sufficient evidence that he is not suited well for serving the nation.

Jimbuna 10-29-19 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2634562)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50215983

Up to 10 million...:har:

Sell them on eBay, I bet they would sell like hot cakes for more than their face value.

Do try to keep up old chap, this is three days old now :03:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...ostcount=11566

Jimbuna 10-29-19 05:23 AM

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BBC political correspondent Iain Watson reports the shadow cabinet is meeting this morning at Labour HQ.

Most Labour MPs abstained from Monday's vote, and the party's leader, Jeremy Corbyn, says he will only support an election once a no-deal Brexit has been taken off the table. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50212212
Probably too late to have any effect now because tonights vote only requires a majority of one and the only sticking point with the Lib Dems is the actual date, 9th, 11th, or 12th.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSqZWBpZ/701683...06661120-o.jpg

Jimbuna 10-29-19 06:13 AM

BREAKING NEWS

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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says his party will support an early general election as the government makes its pitch for a poll on 12 December.

Mr Corbyn said his condition to take a no-deal Brexit off the table "has now been met" after the EU agreed to extend the deadline to 31 January 2020.

But he did not explicitly say if he would back the government's bill in Parliament later.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50221856
Well, I never saw that coming, call it hindsight if you like but in all reality Steptoe had no other options now that the Lib Dems have more or less agreed to a simple majority vote coupled with the expectation a fair number of Labour MP's were being mandated by their constituents to back a vote.

Tonight's tv viewing would have been a little non plus tonight but for the fact my sister-in-law is on tv in the BBC The One Show tonight.

STEED 10-29-19 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2634604)
Do try to keep up old chap, this is three days old now :03:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...ostcount=11566

BBC posted 1 hour old news last night. :O:

STEED 10-29-19 06:51 AM

So the EU tells that thing no deal is off, what about Bojo's end of this?

For those who follow and believe in polls the latest batch puts the Tories on winning with a majority.

As for me once that shower pass the GE, I will be putting up a sign telling them to sod off and if you so much dare knock on my door I will throw a bucket of cold water over them.

Jimbuna 10-29-19 06:54 AM

I should imagine your local ploiticians refer to you as a right bundle of joy :haha:

STEED 10-29-19 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2634627)
I should imagine your local ploiticians refer to you as a right bundle of joy :haha:

Done it before and they did not knock on my door. Now I need to stop the postman delivering their leaflets

STEED 10-29-19 07:14 AM

Friday's new news headlines....


BORIS JOHNSON FOUND DRUNK IN A DITCH CELEBRATING HE GOT HIS GENERAL ELECTION.

Jimbuna 10-29-19 07:42 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/hG9dmvrP/489747...8c08a4e1-c.jpg

Skybird 10-29-19 08:12 AM

The law the Tories will bring in on Tuesday and that reduces the needed majority to call early elecitons to a simple majority, likely will be passed against Labour. And hoooops - suddenly Labour says its demands have that a no dela brexit must be met before it will agree to elections, ha sbeen met. I smell the scent of magic!



BTW, even with Johnsons Brexit deal passed, the following negotiations failing could very well lead into a no deal Brexit, some say it makes it even more likely at the end. I know that. I just happen to accept that cenario anyway. It was my favourite from beginning on.

Jimbuna 10-29-19 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2634637)
The law the Tories will bring in on Tuesday and that reduces the needed majority to call early elecitons to a simple majority, likely will be passed against Labour. And hoooops - suddenly Labour says its demands have that a no dela brexit must be met before it will agree to elections, ha sbeen met. I smell the scent of magic!



BTW, even with Johnsons Brexit deal passed, the following negotiations failing could very well lead into a no deal Brexit, some say it makes it even more likely at the end. I know that. I just happen to accept that cenario anyway. It was my favourite from beginning on.

Corbyn painted himself into a corner with his stubborn resistance. This is a man who has officially voted with the Tories more times than with his own party over matters concerning the EU, he is the biggest hypocrite of all the hypocrites who attend Parliament.

Once the SNP and Lib Dems agreed to support a vote that meant Labour couldn't afford to be seen as being defeated in the public arena, a total loss of face one might say.

Boris masterstroke was to create a one line bill which in effect done away with the need for a two thirds majority and simply replaced it with a majority requirement, just one vote would do it.

The election is a kind of proxy referendum and Boris is gambling on an overall majority at the end of it.

On a personal level I can't vote Labour or Tory but vote I most certainly will.

Skybird 10-29-19 09:21 AM

I read Labours wants voters age lowered to 16 years, obviously becasue the younger crowd tends to vote more willinbgkly socilaist, its not different in Germany, but Labour also saidf hey want Eu nationals to vote as well. What does he mean by that, EU nationals? Germans? French? Soaniards, Polish? Fins? Or means it only Britons living on the contenet with two passports, British and a second nationality?

Jimbuna 10-29-19 09:39 AM

As far as I'm aware he means any EU nationals currently in the UK. Whether he means those having residential status as well as those simply working here is anyone's guess.


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