Hate to break stride here. But I was thinking, does anyone know exactley where these refugees are coming from? I was wondering only because of how the crime rates are skyrocketing over there.

Back in the 80s not only did many of Cuba's elite head for American shores. But Castro also took advantage of the exodus and emptied out his prisons too.

We let pretty much everybody in (or at least we did, I think the border controls have tightened now). There are tens of thousands of people here of whom we don't know their true identities or where they are really from (lost their passport but managed to keep their smartphone...you know ;) ). There also have been a lot of cases where people were living here under several different identities to claim the benefits for several people. Right now it's a huge and irresponsible mess.:/\\!!

I dont mean to bring this up as a gotcha but we are also talking about a religion/culture which treats the male sex drive as a holy commandment. Where the man is forgiven of every imaginable hetrosexual act . But equally unforgiving of the woman who happenes to be minding her own business and commits the unforgivable sin of being raped. Unless of course she can find 4 male witnesses to defend her, but that would be tattling which is also frowned upon.

You touch a taboo here in Germany, that only slowly gets talked on over here. But you are right, it indeed is the case that Algeria, Marocco, Afghanistan and others actively refuse to take back rejected migrants, since they - and other african countries, too - use the opportunity to get rid of both unsatisied, uncomfortable and trouble-raising critical people who could endanger home regimes, and criminals and prisoners and social low classes that are a burden for their own countries. No wonder they do not want them back! And wqhen they take some, they let themselves getting expensively paid for the favour, even if by international law they have an obligation to take back these citizens which formally still are residents of their own states.

The crime happens not just amongst smugglers, but at the governmental levels as well.

Add to this that many refused migrants refuse to leave, and go into hiding. In the first six months last year, for example 65 thousand Afghan refugees received their order to leave Germany and were to board planes to Afghanistan. Until last week - the date of the official(!) number report I base on - , of these 65 thousand, only 53 have de facto been returned to Afghanistan.

Regarding rape crimes, statistics from Sweden show that rape rates - traditionally being quite low in Scandinavian countries - have skyrocketed by multiple factor ion certain places. what all these places have in common is that in past years they have seen a huge influx by Muslim migrants, and a forming up of Islamic parallel cultures. After Cologne there showed up reports in swedish media revealing that the Swedish police since years has a gagging order - like in Germany - to not reveal to the public the identity of Muslim migrant backgrounds in crime cases examined by the police.

Hide the problem! Out of sight: problem solved. :yeah:

It makes no sense for families fleeing hardships to be told to leave "or else". They already have the desire to leave so nobody needs to force them at gun point. However, if you are rounding up the unwanted and criminals and sending them to Europe among the desparate. Then that might explain where those reports are coming from of people being held at gun point and forced to leave the country.

sounds like some peoples definition of tolerence.

The big problem is indeed that so many people from so many countries are taking advantage of the Syrian refugee crisis. I don't have current statistics, but (IIRC) in November last year, of the 32,000 asylum seekers in Finland, only 500-600 were Syrians. mapuc quite correctly mentioned couple of pages back that the estimate is that 2/3 of the 32,000 that arrived in Finland will be denied asylum on grounds that they are not in danger. Many Iraqis have also left voluntarily.

These "extra" people will of course put a huge strain on every country's asylum projects, and we all know how long it can take from making the decision to possibly deportation during which time the "extra" can just vanish and show up some place else.

Something needs to be done to weed out the "extras", but what can you do.. majority carry no papers. :dead:

Maybe this is the time for Russia to step up and take the refugees. They have many square miles of uninhabited land and could take every refugee the middle east or Africa can send.

If Russia, then why not US as well? After all, it has been mainly US and the coalition that has been bombing crap up and destabilizing the region for the past 20 years.

Not meant as a jab, I just don't know where you're pulling Russia to this from, considering you guys have had much more impact on ME than Russia has. :hmmm:

I think it's not a problem of Russia not wanting refugees rather then the refugees not wanting to go the Russia as it's not a benefit welfare paradise like Northern Europe countries.

Harsh but I say no papers? no asylum, no work, no money, you're given a refugee status till the country you claimed to have come from is at peace again or you eventually confess your from a country that isn't unsafe you're to be shipped back and become their problem.

Some of them do go through Russia. Many of them have come to Finland through our eastern border and just couple of days ago Russia sentenced 4 refugees to 6 months in prison for trying to illegally cross the border to Finland.

Isn't that pretty much what is being done atm, at least in Finland. Everyone are let in, then the process starts to see who needs asylum, the rest are deported. The problem is, unless you shove them all in a guarded camp, the ones not in danger can wander free and just vanish.

EDIT: Read that last one again, so basically, anyone without papers be deported/returned to where they came from would be one.. sort of solution.

Yeh, I knew they go through Russia but they don't want to stay and apply for refuge or asylum there and rather keep moving to a more...beneficial welfare state with a soft-hand-you're-probably-just-misunderstood justice system.

Yep it's basically that the ones that don't have papers won't be leaving these camps/centres they arrive in and when the country they claimed to have come from is safe again or wasn't a dangerous place to live to begin with, back they go.

Bunch of retards got what they deserved (well, actually less than they deserved). Attacking random people is pointless, stupid and just criminal.

MATTEL'S ALREADY ON TOP OF THIS ONE BBY! http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/u...07/funny10.jpg

A semi troll post:
The reason why many people emigrate out of sub saharan africa/northern africa/ME/central asia was... climate change and deterioration of farmland.

Now, there is a large (largest purely European) country just east of EU, that has plenty of farmland and would do anything to join. That country is called Ukraine. So, what you could do is to let Ukraine in, but sighn a deal between Ukraine and EU about dumping all refugees and imigrants that you do not want in Ukraine. The way you do it depends on how much money you could bother to spend on the problem, the best way would be to buy/rent farmland in Ukrainian rural regions and just settle those people there.