Well thats the only thing the haters can do well.... most of the time. You people don`t learn your lessons do you :nope:.

*tries to remember the discussions about the Somali pirates*

What you say scores very high on the Hypocrisy-O-Meter. Btw tell HappyTimes not make any further threats against me personally.

No, by all means, a mass expulsion is the last thing I would want.

But still I have to agree with OTH here:

"Quite a few Israelis haven't been born in Israel. Don't you think it's a bit unfair for the ones who haven't been born in Israel to go live there on land stolen from people who DID live there, the Palestinians now in refugee camps?"

How come that many members of this forum find it all to well if foreigners (Jews) come from all over the place to claim Palestine as their own, while they angrily cry out loud if foreigners (Muslims) come to live in Western Europe?
It's exactly the same. And now don't start the "Muslims are inferior to Christians/Jews, and they want to take over western society" game. Even if it's true, it doesn't matter. People from a different ethnicity immigrate en masse to one country and replace it's population, culture and religion. Yet we Westerners somehow have the right to complain about that, while the Palestines don't:doh:
I'm against the Muslim immigrants here in Europe just as much as many of you - but I'm against the Israelis as well.
If you're against mass immigration - at least be consistent in it.

The ownership has indeed changed dramatically. But that doesn't make it a right thing for new groups (the Jews) to come and claim the land. That would be like saying it's okay to go to a certain bank and rob it, because that particular bank was robbed many times in the past.

That doesn't give the conqueror the right to conquer.
You could say the same about the US, it's been a quite prosperous country ever since the whites conquered it from the Indians. But does that make it more just?
I'd rather live as a poor man on Dutch soil than as a rich man on now-Arab-that-once-was-Dutch soil. Wouldn't you, Skybird?

If there somehow is a "right" of conquest, there surely is a right to defend oneself from conquest as well.

Which means most Jews haven't lived there for 1400 years.
That past is long gone. Those battles have been fought. But the Israel-Palestine conflict is very much alive, and in this conflict the Palestines are the ones that have lived there longest.

Well, what would you say if half the population of Blabladistan migrated to your country, and the UN said "hey, why don't you split up your country and donate half of it to the invaders?".
Of course they rejected the proposal. They did not want to lose half their country.

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I haven't seen anyone post something like "shoot all Jews". Have you?
If you have seen someone call for intentional killing of people, yes that should be disallowed.

DarkFish-What is this philosophical bull....
Just 70 years ago Europeans defined us as a nation when killed 6 million of us.
If it wasn't for Holocaust maybe we would still live in Europe(maybe not)
We came to middle east to create Jewish state here along side Palestinian state but again were told to **** off.
So first time in our modern history Jews decided to fight back and we do...
We don't send Palestinians to gas chambers we dont want to fight them.
We would prefer to spend miliards of $ on our economy instead of weapons.
Israelis are ready to compromise for true peace but have no partners here.
So if you think that Arabs are right then OK let them be right but we are not going anywhere....

What's happened to you in the Holocaust is horrible. It's undoubtedly one of the lowest moments in mankind.
But however tragedy it's been, it doesn't give you the right to invade a county and claim it as your own.

You say that somehow because you have been victims of one of the biggest mass-murders in history, you are entitled to claim Israel for yourselves. How is that?

If the Hutus or the Tutsis (can't remember who killed who) came to Israel and said "we claim this land because we've been the victim of genocide" - wouldn't you call them nuts?

Isn't ISRAEL a Jewish land?


Every one is talking about international law so wasn't Palestine divided by international law to Jews and Palestinians?
Did WE go to war after UN gave Israel its independence?
Do you really believe its all just about Palestinians?

Why do you think Iran is calling for destruction of Israel-because of Palestinians?
Where hammas is getting its support?
Why we had to bomb Iraqi reactor in 81 just because we are paranoid people or because Saddam Hussein was into Palestinian human rights?

If it was all just about Palestinians we would be living here happily ever after.

I call Arabs NUTS because history shows that whole nations can go nuts.
Arabs support that historical data-yes its not politically correct not civilized or not fashionable to say such thing but thats the truth.
By my standarts they are ****ing crazy.

Because you made it. Palestine used to be a muslim land.

Exactly - the UN gave. Nobody bothered to ask the Palestinians.

Of course the battles are not "just about Palestinians". There are a lot of dirty political games being played. But that doesn't change the fact that the Jews came out of nowhere and claimed Palestine for themselves.

So what do you suggest?

Jews have had presence thousands of years, they have been migrating back since the crusades ended, increasingly during the past three hundred years, massively after the holocaust.:yeah:

Jerusalem had Jewish majority 150 years ago, there was no country there when Israel was founded.

Arabs didnt respect the UN resolutions or international recognitions.
They have tried since to destroy Israel but failed, tell us what is your solution to the conflict kept up by the Arabs?

:haha: You beat me to it.

I suggest nothing in particular. I don't know what should happen.
It's simply too late to give the entire nation back to the Palestines.

But maybe a large part of it, or a change in Israeli politics to make it a combined Palestine-Israeli state...

I don't know.

Jerusalem may have had a Jewish majority - but overall the Jews were heavily outnumbered: in 1850 only 4%.

Of course not, since the UN simply took their land away from them. Would you recognise it if the UN gave half your country to some group of immigrants?

see previous post;)

Exacly...but you criticize.
We are in the middle of this **** and we do all we can.
One thing is sure there will be NO combined state as you suggest.
Imagine combining Netherlands with Iran.
Its against human rights lol.

Werent the Jews the ones that got conquered, expelled, and immigrated by the Arabs?

Then they got 80% of the European Jews killed in Holocaust.

After WW2 Jews where still persecuted in Eastern Europe, Middle East, North Africa and even UK and France.

Millions displaced people.

Where the hell should they go?
How much shoud they give back, they dont really have that much.
Its a small strip with large part of it desert, half of Netherlands.
Its all they got.

They have the same problems every nation has to deal with, they bicker with themself as we do.
But added to that they also get rockets flying by the thousands from all directions, buses blowing up and maniacs developing nukes to nail them.

They really have to love the place to live there, they have to sacrifice a lot for that.
You cant be selfish in Israel, you have give your time and money or even life to the service of your fellow citizens and country.
They try to live normal lives but they cant just party all the time and chill.:|\\
We should give them respect and see it from their point of view.



UN has no basis to do that to Finland, we have been living here since the ice melted.;)



Many of the so called Palestinians are fake people with forged identities, what is their claim to the place?
I will bet that if the Palestinans get their state they will mess it up in a year and if the Jews where gone and they had it all they would blame someone else.

Off course thats an generalization but large part or even majority seem to be.

Every honest observer sees that from our cultural context they are mad as a hatter!

We can never be in total peace in this world and i dont think our cultures are never capable of peaceful coexistence, havent been since they pushed out from the Arabian peninsula.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg