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Skybird 10-21-19 07:11 PM

Delaying and frustrating Brexit to death - thats what parliament hopes to achieve. They cannot openly steal the referendum without being hekld accoutnable for it by voters an d oublic opinion - so they must frustrate people until people themselves demand that for the sake of getting out of the stall Brexit shoulkd be cancelled.

Majority of parliament never wanted to exit from day one on, and desperately sought for ways how to get out of Brexit mode. Especially Labour members.


An endless parliamentary filibuster, not made of speeches, but made of tricks and more tricks. Politics at its fouliest. Even more so since Corban already amditted what the purose of the recent delay way: to pave the road for even more delays by endlessly raising amendements to the treaty legislation until either the treaty is not about a Brexit weorth the name anymore, or the battle over the amendements continues. If this gets its ways, it could go for years like this, just so to prevent Brexit. And all while the fighting lasts, the UK stays in the EU .



War of attrition.

Skybird 10-22-19 04:32 AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/21/u...gbr/index.html


Quote:

The wider problem Johnson's team faces is the can of worms opened by Saturday's vote.
Every part of Johnson's deal can now be amended in Parliament with whatever shades of Brexit that MPs wish to attach to it.
That means that, all of a sudden, a so-called Soft Brexit customs union arrangement is back on the table -- potentially enticing a handful of moderates to switch their support from Johnson's plan.
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), which supposedly props up Johnson's minority government but whose MPs were left livid by the proposed installation of a customs border in the Irish Sea, have already enacted revenge by pushing the Letwin amendment over the line. They could now heap further misery on the PM by backing a softer alternative plan.
Also likely to emerge is another longshot push for a second referendum, which Labour would be expected to back. That follows a march on Saturday that saw hundreds of thousands demand another say.
So Parliament-watchers are now essentially faced with the prospect a series of indicative votes on Brexit alternatives being considered in tandem, a scene not too dissimilar from the hodgepodge of suggestions put forward in Parliament after it rejected Theresa May's deal three times. In case you've forgotten, all of those suggestions failed too.

Frustrate it to death. Yeah, frustrate it too death.Thats what it all has degenerated into. More destructive political culture cannot become. We see the very idea of majority votes and modern "democracy" being raped . I am not an of modern conception of these two, I do not hide it - but when the others want it that way, I at least insist that they stick to and play by these their chosen rules, principles and ideals. But even that these dubious figures are not willing or capable of.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2633507)
Delaying and frustrating Brexit to death - thats what parliament hopes to achieve. They cannot openly steal the referendum without being hekld accoutnable for it by voters an d oublic opinion - so they must frustrate people until people themselves demand that for the sake of getting out of the stall Brexit shoulkd be cancelled.

Majority of parliament never wanted to exit from day one on, and desperately sought for ways how to get out of Brexit mode. Especially Labour members.


An endless parliamentary filibuster, not made of speeches, but made of tricks and more tricks. Politics at its fouliest. Even more so since Corban already amditted what the purose of the recent delay way: to pave the road for even more delays by endlessly raising amendements to the treaty legislation until either the treaty is not about a Brexit weorth the name anymore, or the battle over the amendements continues. If this gets its ways, it could go for years like this, just so to prevent Brexit. And all while the fighting lasts, the UK stays in the EU .



War of attrition.

I concur 100%. The only way out of this is to have a general election and let the electorate decide.

What I like about the above and no doubt those horrible people in Parliament don't is the fact every vote by every MP is now viewable online so the accountability factor is a credible one.

I have spoken face to face with my MP who knows me personally and knows full well the couple of decades I was a party member and told her she has been voting against the wishes of her constituents and as such, she is running the risk of being deselected at the next general election.

The look of horror on her face was worth much more than a lottery win.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 05:49 AM

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Boris Johnson will urge MPs to back his Brexit deal in a final bid to get the UK to leave the EU in nine days' time.

MPs will vote on the PM's Withdrawal Agreement Bill and if they back it they will be asked to approve a three-day timetable to consider the legislation.

But the decision to curtail the scrutiny of the bill to three days has sparked anger from opposition MPs.
I would be genuinely surprised if this happens.

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MPs believed by ministers to be ready to back the prime minister include pro-Leave Labour rebels and former Tory MPs now sitting as independents who would rather leave with Mr Johnson's deal than no deal at all.
That is the only possibility but I'm still not convinced.

STEED 10-22-19 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633545)
The only way out of this is to have a general election and let the electorate decide.

I have been thinking about this jim and now come to the conclusion it will be a wast of time. Why, simple the voters will be voting in most part that rotten lot of useless wet paper bags! Sack the the lot of them and ban them from standing ever again in any elections and lets have a brand new parliament 100% new people.

I know this will never happen so this rotten lot go on laughing their socks off at us the voters. Time for a massive shake up I say, read my old posts where I present good ideas.

STEED 10-22-19 06:18 AM

I see the EU has had a belly full of Brexit, something we can both agree on.


Quote:

Brexit has been a 'waste of time and energy', EU's Jean-Claude Juncker says

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ha...-says-11841837

Jimbuna 10-22-19 06:19 AM

As you correctly state, that will never happen unfortunately.

STEED 10-22-19 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633557)
As you correctly state, that will never happen unfortunately.

Yep............

Booking a ticket for Mars is now looking very interesting. :03:

Jimbuna 10-22-19 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2633556)
I see the EU has had a belly full of Brexit, something we can both agree on.

Noticeably Tusk has stated the choice of a no deal would never be made by the EU.

STEED 10-22-19 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633561)
Noticeably Tusk has stated the choice of a no deal would never be made by the EU.

Oh yea they will never do that in a million years. They do not want to look like the boogie man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbnmjs_dpIA

Skybird 10-22-19 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633561)
Noticeably Tusk has stated the choice of a no deal would never be made by the EU.

Clever move. It encourages the non-brexiteers to continue delaying - the EU will be fine with it.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2633568)
Clever move. It encourages the non-brexiteers to continue delaying - the EU will be fine with it.

Agreed and the game continues :yep:

Jimbuna 10-22-19 07:21 AM

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Firms in Northern Ireland will have to submit declaration forms for goods heading to the rest of the UK, under the government's Brexit deal.

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay was forced to make the admission after initially denying it was the case.

This followed previous assurances that Northern Ireland-GB trade would be "unfettered".

DUP MP Sammy Wilson said it represented a "clear breach" of previous commitments made by the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50137320
I'm no fan of the DUP but this is a prime example of why they can't continue to support this government where Brexit is concerned.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 07:46 AM

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No 10 to abandon Brexit bill if MPs vote down timetable for its debate and EU confirms delay.
If that is the case then only a general election or perhaps even revoking Article 50 will be the remaining course of action.

STEED 10-22-19 08:17 AM

Did I miss something...

Watching Boris taking questions and the one from Caroline Lucas asking we will not crash out the EU in Dec 2020.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 08:21 AM

Makes more sense watching the comedy channel.

STEED 10-22-19 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2633587)
Did I miss something...

Watching Boris taking questions and the one from Caroline Lucas asking we will not crash out the EU in Dec 2020.

Yep she did, just went on SKY online and found that bit which she said twice. I suspect I may have missed something here as I am under the impression we are leaving on Oct 31st 2019 not Dec 2020. :hmmm:

Skybird 10-22-19 08:30 AM

Maybe renaming the relaunch of Spitting Image as Spitting Vomit.

Jimbuna 10-22-19 08:31 AM

It is expected the EU will grant yet another extention lasting up to December next year.

STEED 10-22-19 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633596)
It is expected the EU will grant yet another extention lasting up to December next year.

Thanks jim, probably would have put two and two together. :up:

Rotten headache today making hard to think. :arrgh!:


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