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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2633250)

Or not. Ḿy trust in voters is extremely limited, but I love to be proven wrong here.

This is a well written article bt Katya Adler summing up where we are currently at.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50113287

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Boris Johnson made it crystal clear on Saturday: he did not want to write to EU leaders requesting another Brexit extension.

And they were crystal clear in telephone calls with him that day that they were far from thrilled to be asked.

But UK law demanded the letter be sent. So now what?

Don't expect any speedy EU action, for starters.

On Saturday, French President Emmanuel Macron repeated his view that a new Brexit extension was not good for anyone.

Boris Johnson literally spelling out his opposition to prolonging the Brexit process by writing a separate letter to Brussels to say so, makes it easier for his peers Mr Macron, Angela Merkel and others to drag their feet a little.

They prefer first to look to the prime minister to make good on his promise to them that their newly-negotiated Brexit deal will *definitely* be passed by parliament.

And time (relatively speaking, of course) is on the prime minister's and EU leaders' side. Under EU law the Brexit deadline is not until 31 October.

Grumbling and moaning
In theory, Europe's leaders could wait until the morning of the 31st to hold an emergency summit to discuss an extension.

Right now they are keen to keep up the pressure on MPs, to help them focus their minds on what they really want, rather than rush forward with another extension, allowing them (in EU eyes) to keep going round in circles, never uniting around one particular concrete Brexit plan.

All 27 EU leaders have to agree for a new Brexit extension to be granted and they will grumble, they will moan and they will stamp their feet (metaphorically, at least).

But, if push comes to shove, with the alternative being no deal at all, then, after more than three years of Brexit process and negotiating two Brexit deals with two UK prime ministers, I cannot imagine the EU slamming the door in the face of the UK now.

If the House of Commons refuses to approve the new Brexit deal in the next couple of weeks, then granting a new extension would be in EU leaders' interest. They are keen not be blamed by their own citizens for a costly no-deal Brexit.

What's the delay for?
So, through gritted teeth, and only if EU leaders believe that it is needed, they will eventually most likely say yes to an extension. But a short one, if possible.

They will want to know what it's for. Are there plans in the UK to hold a general election, a second referendum or a referendum on the new Brexit deal? Or is a bit more time needed to pass Brexit-related legislation?

EU diplomats rule out the idea of further negotiations or amending the new Brexit deal, whatever comes out of the House of Commons over the next few days.

The EU fervently hopes this Brexit deal is the last one. Leaders want to move on to the next stage: negotiating future relations between the EU and UK, including a trade deal.

The leaving bit was originally billed as the easy part.

I just wanted to post the last line... ^ .:)

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The leaving bit was originally billed as the easy part.

SPOT ON...

It is going to take years to get through the hard stuff but on this side of the fence (LEAVE) there are some folk who not understand. They believe on OCT 31st we are leaving and will have nothing more to do with the EU, sorry folks that is not the real world.

On the remain side of the fence....PANIC WE'RE ALL DOOMED CRASH AND BURN!

Well the IMF was upbeat and so is the Bank of England about Boris's deal.

If Parliament chooses some how to stop Boris and Brexit come the general election which they can not stop they will be punished. Will they learn from it...Very short term yes but long term no.

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Brexit: Johnson 'has the numbers' in Commons to pass deal, says Raab

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50115151

He better of or you will have mud all over your face.

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Brexit: Labour's 'door is open' to DUP for talks

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern...itics-50116218

You what!

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2633280)

Very short term NO and long term DEFINITELY NOT.

There is so much vitriol and cynism in this thread now, I feel the urgent need to clean it out so that we can fill in new acid, so here we have a temporary switch to something completely different. At least, its London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLsmcr8MBJM

I recall how surprised I was back then when learning that this little thing actually indeed could sing - and very well so.

And now back to the main program.

:O:

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2633294)

He better of or you will have mud all over your face.

You what!

NO CHANCE, not in a million years, try thinking outside of the box.

Here's a clue: Terrorism connections.

Have another: “It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2633298)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGau8RBMNG8

Some journalist said on Danish or was it Swedish TV, a while back

This charade and all those problems surrounding UK leaving EU have scared other politicians in rest of the EU.

First I was sad. I'm one of those who gladly had voted leave.

Then I understood it.

UK is not ONE country but consist of Great Britain, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland together they form the UK.

And the problem is around Irland and Northern Ireland.

So countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany a.s.o would not have the same issue if they, through a referendum, decide to leave.

Markus

^ That is why this country is called Great Britain :O:

I wonder how the historians will look at this in 20-25 years from now ?

With critical eyes or with understandable eyes ?

Markus

Lord let some brain fall from heaven.

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2633342)

I wonder how the historians will look at this in 20-25 years from now ?

With critical eyes or with understandable eyes ?

Markus

When the Euro enters the final stage of explosion, it will pull the EU economy down with it. Then you want to be as far away from the EU as you can.

If the Eurozone were the Chernobyl reactor, we are in the phase now where the reactor core is already oversaturated with Xenon (debts, bonds) and no active cooling gets done and the power output level (inflation) is very low. The ECB currently tries desperately to drive up the power output again so that the Xenon gets burnt again and so decontaminates the core again. Just any moment now we will see how the power output skyrockets upwards in no time and then somebody will push the emergency shutdown button. Then the control rods drive back into the reactor, and the moment their tips touch the inside, the whole thing blew up in Chernobyl, and the fiscal equivalent will happen in the Eurozone.

The good thing is for the next hundred years or longer nobody will dare to ever try predatory FIAT paper money systems or European currency unions again. However, when the last living time witness of the evnt has died - mankind's memory is very shortlived, it seems.

I don't think you have to be an expert on economy to understand, what's happening today will sooner or later backfire.

Negative interest and all other those things in our economy.

Markus

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2633349)

Have you considered writing a novel? :)

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Speaker may block PM's push for Commons vote on his Brexit deal.

It is possible that Mr Bercow could block the government's move, and rule that the vote cannot be repeated so soon because it effectively happened on Saturday.

A government source told the PA news agency: "Parliament needs a straight up-and-down vote on the deal… or do they want to frustrate and cancel Brexit altogether? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

Hard to believe Bercow is a Tory MP but thank God he's retiring at the end of the month.

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Labour seeks new alliance to kill off Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal.

Boris Johnson’s hopes of winning a clear majority for his Brexit plan faced a new threat on Sunday night as Labour declared that it would seek the backing of rebel Tories and the DUP for amendments that would force him to drop the deal – or accept a softer Brexit.

As both sides sought to gather parliamentary support after Saturday’s vote to force Johnson to seek a new delay to the UK’s departure from the European Union, Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said Labour was prepared to talk to the prime minister’s former allies in the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) about forging a better deal.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

Steptoe must be spitting feathers, he's been anti EU all his political career and rules over all the party with an iron fist aided by Labours equivalent of the brown shirts (Momentum) yet he has allowed himself to be shunted into a corner by elements that are fast making the party a remain party.

Could well be two days of light entertainment ahead.

https://i.postimg.cc/PrkCQxD0/tenor.gif

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2633393)

the vote cannot be repeated so soon because it effectively happened on Saturday.

Did i get somethign wrong on Saturday? It was reprted that the vote planned for Saturday was not held at all? It was pulled back before it was held, at least this is what the newspaper in Germany said....?!

The Government dropped the 'meaningful vote' because the Letwin amendment was carried prior so in effect became an alternative 'meaningful vote'

The vote on the deal was dropped. Period.The Letvin amendement did not vote on the deal either. It plans to do so, like Johnson planned to have a vote over his. Both have not taken place yet.

There was no vote on the deal on saturday, Letvin does not change that. The argument that the Letvin amendement is to be counted as a vote on the dela, is comparing apples with oranges.