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Nicola Sturgeon has warned Jeremy Corbyn not to "pick up the phone" and ask the SNP to put him in government unless he backs an independence vote.

The Scottish first minister said she was in favour of removing Boris Johnson from office and holding an election.

But she said her backing for a "progressive alliance" relied on a deal to hold an independence referendum.

Mr Corbyn has said he does not think a new independence poll is "a good idea", but has not ruled out allowing one.

Ms Sturgeon wants to hold a new vote in the second half of 2020, but has not yet asked UK ministers to allow it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50013578

The vipers begin to conspire in the shaded corners of the room.

STEED

10-13-19 05:01 AM

^United....my sexy butt they are not.

Jimbuna

10-13-19 05:10 AM

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Boris Johnson will update the cabinet later, as UK and EU officials hold talks on getting a deal done in time for the 31 October Brexit deadline.

Commons Leader Jacob Rees-Mogg said "compromise" was inevitable and the PM could be "trusted" to get an agreement acceptable to Leave-backing MPs.

Parliament will meet on Saturday and vote on any deal achieved by Mr Johnson at a Brussels summit this week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50032500

I am told by a personal informant that there is a growing number of Tory MP's who remain opposed to anything he comes forward with.

Jimbuna

10-13-19 06:37 AM

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Jeremy Corbyn has poured cold water on the idea that Labour could support a bid to attach a referendum to Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal at next Saturday’s emergency sitting of parliament.

The prime minister is expected to convene the House of Commons for a rare Saturday session, either to ask for support for his Brexit deal, if he succeeds in striking one at this week’s European council – or to request that MPs back a no-deal exit at the end of this month.

Pro-remain MPs hope to amend any motion put by the government, to insist that Johnson’s deal be subject to a public vote.

But asked by Sophy Ridge on Sky News whether some MPs would be more likely to support a deal if it would be put to a referendum, Corbyn said, “I think many in parliament, not necessarily Labour MPs but others, might be inclined to support it, because they don’t really agree with the deal – but I would caution them on this.”

He said he would instead be keen to see a Labour-style Brexit deal, including a customs union, and guarantees on workers’ rights and environmental standards, put to the public.

Corbyn’s comments appeared to put him at odds with the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, who said in a speech in Glasgow on Saturday that Labour would press for any deal Johnson secures to be subject to a referendum.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

It would appear that the unions alongside Momentum are totally pulling all of Steptoes strings now.

Surely even he can see that he is driving voters away from Labour during the Tories most weakest times.

STEED

10-14-19 05:52 AM

Well here we go the state opening of parliament and look at bojo, looks like he's got a new baby rattle with that smug look on his face. Oh look it's that un-democrastic woman swinson pinching bojo's butt and finally the unspeakable one looking like a buffoon with a master plan for momentum to take over labour 100%.

Same old guff same old pomp same old same old.......

Jimbuna

10-14-19 08:17 AM

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Boris Johnson's government has set out "ambitious" policies on crime, health, the environment and Brexit in a Queen's Speech that opposition parties have dismissed as an "election manifesto".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50039587

Not a bad Queens Speech as far as they go but I think the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg sums it up succinctly below.

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That was a very long shopping list of things, but the unsaid reality, of course, is that the biggest question hanging over it all is Brexit.

The Queen may have said the government's priority is to leave on 31 October, but there's no way anyone in this square mile can be sure that happens. Whether it happens - and how it happens - is a much bigger influence than anything we've just heard being said.

In many ways, it's a Queen's Speech from a parallel universe - one in which Boris Johnson gets his way. Where he definitely gets his deal with Brussels by the end of this week, he definitely gets it through Parliament on Saturday and definitely gets all the Brexit legislation passed. It's also a world in which he definitely gets the general election he wants in the next few weeks and then definitely gets a Conservative majority.

We shouldn't dismiss this speech - it does mean something, but what it means is this is what we are likely to see as the basis for a Conservative manifesto whenever that election does come.

Jimbuna

10-14-19 08:24 AM

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Labour officials close to Jeremy Corbyn are warning him to resist pressure to back a further Brexit referendum ahead of a general election.

These senior aides are concerned he is being pushed into a position which would delay a general election for some months by the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, and other leading members of his shadow cabinet.

Behind the scenes, there is quite simply a major disagreement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50044869

There appears to be so much backstage fighting in Steptoes camp that they can't jointly agree on anything, least of all Brexit, a second referendum or a general election even.

Jimbuna

10-14-19 11:39 AM

BREAKING NEWS

Nicola Sturgeon has demanded that the match between Japan v Scotland be replayed as the majority of Scots didn't vote for that result.

https://i.postimg.cc/nzX5NnTY/730106...00904448-n.jpg

Jimbuna

10-14-19 11:44 AM

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Labour BAME and female MPs have called for a meeting with Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday over concerns about the deselection of BAME candidates.

They are also concerned by a number of other selection battles that have turned nasty, involving BAME candidates. A big row is afoot.

A Labour source has said: "Momentum/leadership have totally destroyed the selection rules and can't even protect their own people."
https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2...Mqm1S-VUxRUkRQ

Another example of how tight a grip Momentum have on Steptoes party.

mapuc

10-14-19 11:48 AM

Some questions about this Queens Speech

Is it held on same day each year October 14th ? Or is it held on the second Monday in October each year ?

Have this Queens Speech been an event since the building of the Parliament or ?

Markus

Jimbuna

10-14-19 12:03 PM

It normally takes place in May, but this can vary, particularly in a year when a general election is held.

Skybird

10-14-19 02:11 PM

"Look Angela - light at the end of the Brexit tunnel!" - - - - "No, Emmanuel, its only Boris."
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/t...format1007.jpg

Jimbuna

10-15-19 06:22 AM

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There is a "narrow path" to a Brexit deal this week, but the two sides have to agree the details by the end of Tuesday, the EU's negotiator has said.

Michel Barnier said it was "time to turn good intentions into legal text" if EU leaders were to back the terms of the UK's exit at a summit on Thursday.

After updating EU ministers, Mr Barnier signalled that he expected the UK to agree the legal text of any changes to the withdrawal agreement -previously rejected three times by MPs - within hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50044873

That last paragraph could well prove to be the insurmountable hurdle.

STEED

10-15-19 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2632283)

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Jimbuna

10-15-19 11:07 AM

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A second referendum on Scottish independence "must happen next year", Nicola Sturgeon has told the SNP conference.

Ms Sturgeon confirmed that she will ask the UK government to give formal consent by the end of this year.

She said Westminster had "no right" to block the request, and its opposition to indyref2 is "not sustainable".

But she stressed any referendum had to be legal if the result was to be recognised internationally.

She said this was because her aim was not merely to deliver a referendum - but to deliver independence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50036176

First Salmond and Now Sturgeon....is this Groundhog Day or is something fishy going on? :hmmm:

Catfish

10-15-19 12:34 PM

I would better understand that after a definite brexit, especially with no deal. But why now already?

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