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Jimbuna 10-02-19 06:18 AM

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Boris Johnson says there should be "no doubt" the only alternative to the Brexit proposals he will put to Brussels later is no-deal.

Addressing his party conference in Manchester, the PM said his plan would be a "compromise by the UK", but he hoped the EU would "understand that and compromise in their turn".

The European Commission said they will "examine [the proposals] objectively".

The UK is set to leave the EU on 31 October.

The government has insisted it will not negotiate a further delay beyond the Halloween deadline, saying this would be unnecessary and costly for the UK.

However, under the terms of a law passed by Parliament last month, the PM faces having to request another extension unless MPs back the terms of withdrawal by 19 October - two days after a summit of European leaders.

In his speech, Mr Johnson said no-deal was not an outcome the government was seeking, but "it is an outcome for which we are ready".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49906702
Either way, a decision will soon be forthcoming.

Jimbuna 10-02-19 09:38 AM

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The government has published its Brexit proposals to the EU, including plans to replace the Irish backstop.

The plan would see Northern Ireland essentially stay in the European single market for goods through the creation of an "all-island regulatory zone".

The Northern Ireland Assembly would have to approve the arrangements first and be able to vote every four years on whether to keep them.

The European Commission says it will "examine [the proposals] objectively".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49909309
I'm surprised if the DUP will agree to this as is currently being suggested and totally astonished if the EU agree.

Skybird 10-02-19 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2630314)
well I say democracy I no idea now what we have now.

Ask these two, I have no doubt they will not leave you in darkness any longer.

https://globalquiz.org/media/pic/400/12711.jpg

Jimbuna 10-02-19 10:27 AM

:haha:

STEED 10-02-19 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2630372)
Ask these two, I have no doubt they will not leave you in darkness any longer.

https://globalquiz.org/media/pic/400/12711.jpg

May as well put them two in charge. After all the dickheads we have now are not worth voting for.

STEED 10-02-19 05:55 PM

Good news

https://news.sky.com/video/michel-ba...to-do-11825595

Bad news

https://news.sky.com/video/this-is-n...posal-11825664

This lot are a bunch of clown's just like our lot no wonder we're all.....I am not allowed to post the f word.

Jimbuna 10-03-19 04:42 AM

The truth of the matter is, whilst they aren't as divided as we are, they are also far from being united.

Jimbuna 10-03-19 04:52 AM

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Boris Johnson appears to be fighting a losing battle to avoid Britain staying in the European Union beyond 31 October after Michel Barnier privately gave a scathing analysis of the prime minister’s new plan for the Irish border, describing it as a trap.

The European commission also refused to go into the secretive and intensive “tunnel” talks with the UK’s negotiators before a crunch summit on 17 October from which the UK had hoped to deliver a breakthrough deal.

Despite concerted attempts to avoid publicly trashing the UK proposals, there was dismay behind the scenes in Brussels after Johnson tabled his first concrete proposal for replacing the Irish backstop.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout
Well, that's that then :doh:

Jimbuna 10-03-19 04:59 AM

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Campaigners have lost a significant legal battle against the government's handling of the rise in women's state pension age.

The retirement age for women rose from 60 to 65, in line with men, and will go up to 66 by 2020, and to 67 by 2028.

Women born in the 1950s claim the rise is unfair because they were not given enough time to make adjustments to cope with years without a state pension.

They argued the changes were discrimination, but judges disagreed.

In a summary of the court's decision, the judges said: "There was no direct discrimination on grounds of sex, because this legislation does not treat women less favourably than men in law. Rather it equalises a historic asymmetry between men and women and thereby corrects historic direct discrimination against men."

The court also rejected the claimants' argument that the policy was discriminatory based on age, adding that even if it was "it could be justified on the facts". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49917315
Arguably another politically motivated decision by the courts and this time it is rather personal, my wife being one of those estimated 3.8 million women.

STEED 10-03-19 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2630461)
Well, that's that then :doh:

Bojo is talking rubbish how can we leave he has no power, brexit secretary seems to suggest all is going well. :doh:

I am sick of the stinking BS we are told.....

Jimbuna 10-03-19 05:17 AM

You and me both but the definitive moment is less than a month away.

STEED 10-03-19 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2630470)
You and me both but the definitive moment is less than a month away.

I'm of the opinion if I had my blood pressure checked I would be told it's brexit that has caused high blood pressure. :haha:

Jimbuna 10-03-19 05:24 AM

I had my annual health check last month and got a clean bill of health thank God.

STEED 10-03-19 05:41 AM

Well done jim.:up:

Bojo is speaking now, he has said we are leaving and hopefully with a deal, there will be no second reforendrum. SKY News reports his idea is very similar to May's one early in the year.

Bojo has just said if the EU rejects his deal we are going to crash out the EU.

I am not convinced, as you say jim we shall all see soon.

Jimbuna 10-03-19 05:43 AM

It's all in the link below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49914326

Skybird 10-03-19 06:02 AM

TBH, I am a bit surprised by Johnson's proposals for the Irish issue, they are more reasonable than I would have expected. As a matter of fact in principle its the same kind of idea that I see as the only maybe possible option to break the deadlock. I have not yet understood this four-years thing, whether it is a just once or a self-repeating thing if the Irish see the need and desire. If it is a just-once thing, than the EU will not accept it, since then it would leave the option to the UK side to just sit out these four years once, and then pull Northern Ireland out of the agreement anyway.



It now will show who is the opinion-forming majority on side iof the EU leaders: those who want to prevent any successful Brexit that works for Britain anyway so to crfeate a precedence that you cannot leave the eU without breaking your own neck, or those who accept a compromise just to limit the mnutual damage for bioth sides, accepting that Britain may turn out successful with its leave in the long run. I have always argued tnat the eU wants no success for britain for principle rasons, But maybe now that the dealine is close, the minority of reaiosnable people, if there are any, can push the steering wheel around.


German newspapers titled with plenty of negative, sometimes even personally offending headlines. Johnson=Bulldozer, that is the common ground.



Yes, he is a bulldozer. Having a dozer with plenty of PS is the only way to clean a path through the rubble if you want to make your way through this stupid nuthouse parliament has become.


If the British people have sane minds, after Brexit they replace the dozer with a wrecking ball and level the whole place. They call it Westminster, after all the West is where the sun sets. Until then, Dozer: press the pedal to the metal and let the engine roar!


After he delivered, he must go. After all he shares major responsibility for the referendum's outcome three years ago, on the grounds of questionable numbers at best. I support him, but not for the reasons he gave as his arguments, but for different reasons. In other words: my motives are different than his.

Jimbuna 10-03-19 07:17 AM

Sky, I think we are still a long way from reaching an agreement but not a long way before the clock stops ticking on the 31st.

If there is a genuine will from both sides to reach a deal then it will happen.

The alternative is multiple wounds to all parties, wounds that might take generations to heal and that is no good to anyone.

ATM I am at my most hopeful of a deal but I still can't see it happening just yet.

Skybird 10-03-19 09:58 AM

EU/Junckers showed the expected reaction today: maximum demands and no indication of offering a valid concession. There have been no legally binding concessions by the EU since 3 years, but only the constant reflecting of any need to move and show willingness to compromise.


The British side ma ynot have shone with cleiverness and wittiness in the first two years of the "negotiation" process. But for the EU the whole negotiating was just a staged alibi from beginning on.


There shall be no chance for Britain to leave and be succesful with that. That is the imperial premisse for the EU overshadowing all and everything.


Its a fine difference Johnson made when leaving the decision on the Irish status to the Northern Irish regional parliament that it should re-assess and decide ionb every four years - the deicison is left to the Irish population, not to London. Note the silent non-chalance with which the EU does not even mention this. London has waived on the absolute control over this issue, indicated it is willing to leave it to who it affects most: the Irish in NI who can talk and coordinate with the republican Irish. Reply of the EU: No.


Thats the only thing they keep on saying since three years: No. Everything else they said in this time, was just irrelevant coating or legally non-binding shine.


NO.


Though shall not leave. Never.



If this were a face-to-face meeting, I would support the British to just slam a hard fist into the EU's face and then showing them the middle finger while leaving the place.

Jimbuna 10-03-19 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2630528)


If this were a face-to-face meeting, I would support the British to just slam a hard fist into the EU's face and then showing them the middle finger while leaving the place.

Spoken like a TRUE BRIT :)

Catfish 10-03-19 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2630532)
Spoken like a TRUE BRIT :)

Yep, I hope he moves to England, and soon. :D


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