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Rockstar 07-20-24 12:06 PM

Only Fire & Brimstone I know.

https://youtu.be/H4b4oj6-1bI


Leeds caught fire. Maybe Paris will be next, July 26th is just few days away ya know.

Dargo 07-20-24 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2918677)
Erased He changed it to English.

Regarding Civil war in USA-I think you're right it's not a question on whether it comes or not to more when.

if Trump lose-There will be riots and civil war like situations in the biggest cities around USA

Markus

There will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?

https://i.postimg.cc/Dfpp9w6z/facediaper.jpg

mapuc 07-20-24 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2918705)
There will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?

https://i.postimg.cc/Dfpp9w6z/facediaper.jpg

I'm not talking about civil war in a month or so, but in 10-15 years from now.

It's not me who have said there will be riots if Trump lose-It was said in the weekly tv magazine "The fight for USA"

What he said this US expert-We may expect riots if Trump should lose.

However I have this feeling he will not, he will win with a landslide.
Me and my feelings are mostly wrong.

Markus

Rockstar 07-20-24 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2918705)
There will be no civil war, certainly not in the cities and certainly not if an ear diaper wearer loses. People really think this lot will fight in a real war?


And Ukraine, had close to thirty years to build up a national defense. But because their own leaders rampant grift and corruption, they are the ones that failed Ukraine and any possibility for Ukrainians to prevent a war or even be able to defend their own sovereignty against an invasion by a known despot.

Oh and by the way, at least we have elections. One more thing you ungrateful stain. Plenty of Americans from all walks of life have answered the call and fought and died fighting in Europe’s wars. We just grow tired of it. Why haven’t you answered the call? Go wrap a diaper on your face, hit the trenches and be a war hero.

mapuc 07-20-24 02:25 PM

^ I'm thankful for what your ancestor did in WWI and WWII. I also agree on the fact we should fight our own war and not let USA fight it for us(sending supply to Ukraine, among others).

There are European volunteers in Ukraine from a couple hundred to thousands from European countries.

Many here in Denmark, who is tired of us sending weapon supply to Ukraine are looking forward to Trump being President again-'cause then the war will end very soon.

Hold your horses-In a video Trump reasure to Zelenskyj, he shouldn't worry it would be worse for Putin.

Markus

Dargo 07-20-24 02:53 PM

That Trump ends this war is naive, the war in Ukraine will at least go on for a decade. If you want Trump to appease Putin, go ahead, know XI will welcome this. All thinking Trump will do this or that and all "our" problems are solved know nothing how geopolitic, global economy and statehood works.

Rockstar 07-20-24 02:59 PM

I do think supporting Ukraine is a noble cause and would like to see restoration of 1991 borders. But it was through their own neglect that Ukrainian people and their leaders lost Crimea and, parts of the Donbass. It wasn’t because of me, you or anyone else on this planet that allowed it to happen, THEY did.

U.S. & European leaders have been to trot with slogans going on about Freedom and Democracy and as long as it takes. But IMO I think even they including Zelensky want this to end regardless what is agreed upon in negotiations. But to save face and deflect blame I think Trump (if he’s elected) and Orban will be the scapegoats. I bet even the military industrial complex is ready to move to something different since they got rich.

Dargo 07-20-24 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2918711)
I do think supporting Ukraine is a noble cause and would like to see restoration of 1991 borders. But it was through their own neglect that Ukrainian people and their leaders lost Crimea and, parts of the Donbass. It wasn’t because of me, you or anyone else on this planet that allowed it to happen, THEY did.

U.S. & European leaders have been to trot with slogans going on about Freedom and Democracy and as long as it takes. But IMO I think even they including Zelensky want this to end regardless what is agreed upon in negotiations. But to save face and deflect blame I think Trump and Orban will be the scapegoats.

I am not certain Trump will end the war as we get told. It was Trump that provided the first military support, and it was Trump that allowed the military support 2024. Orbán is another factor do not think he is on our side he is certainly not and what he has done lately has backfired badly Hungary does not receive a vast amount of natural gas and oil any more because transit country Ukraine has placed him on a blacklist so a cold winter for the loser Orbán. Ukraine will not give up it fought a guerrilla for more than 5 years against the USSR the Crimean Peninsula was the peace offer from Khrushchev. The most important for the US is that this war is a big profit the factories to produce military products in the US can not cope the orders and are in need of workers so better think twice if you want peace. Every equipment delivered to Ukraine needs to be replaced to keep stock and all around the world the new orders placed in the US.

mapuc 07-20-24 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2918710)
That Trump ends this war is naive, the war in Ukraine will at least go on for a decade. If you want Trump to appease Putin, go ahead, know XI will welcome this. All thinking Trump will do this or that and all "our" problems are solved know nothing how geopolitic, global economy and statehood works.

I'm not the one who think Trump will end this war in a hurry. I think he will continue where Biden left and he could very well be the President who send special units to Ukraine to teach the Ukrainians in using US advanced weapon system. He will also send a clear message to little Un in NK - Stay out of Ukraine.

Markus

Dargo 07-20-24 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2918715)
I'm not the one who think Trump will end this war in a hurry. I think he will continue where Biden left and he could very well be the President who send special units to Ukraine to teach the Ukrainians in using US advanced weapon system. He will also send a clear message to little Un in NK - Stay out of Ukraine.

Markus

What I heard is that Trump will tell both sides to solve this it will tell Ukraine to negotiate (with security guaranties from the West) but do not expect all areas will be back, but he will also tell Putin if you do not solve this expect support from the US not in the sense as we did before but in the tenfold it is your choice. Source a former campaign ... so do not know this is real.

mapuc 07-20-24 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2918716)
What I heard is that Trump will tell both sides to solve this it will tell Ukraine to negotiate (with security guaranties from the West) but do not expect all areas will be back, but he will also tell Putin if you do not solve this expect support from the US not in the sense as we did before but in the tenfold it is your choice. Source a former campaign ... so do not know this is real.

We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

I think these 4 oblast will somehow become independent have their own Autonomy, like Crimea had before 2014.
(This was an off topic answer)

Markus

Dargo 07-20-24 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2918717)
We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

I think these 4 oblast will somehow become independent have their own Autonomy, like Crimea had before 2014.
(This was an off topic answer)

Markus

That "news" is all yeah thinking what he does, but none knows for real.

Rockstar 07-20-24 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2918717)
We can only wait and see what Trump does, if he wins the election in Nov.

I also know, from news here if Trump withhold further supply to Ukraine, NATO in Europe and EU will step in and continue supporting Ukraine.

Markus

From all of the things I’ve been reading lately, Europe is stepping up. But its one thing to bump up contributions to NATO. It’s another to do that AND fully outfit another nations military “as long as it takes”.

Also, I should have been less specific and instead said ‘no matter who is elected’. I still think the next U.S. president (no matter who is elected) will be the one who takes us in the direction of negotiations to end the war. And I wouldn’t be surprised we have more leverage than Russia does. So negotiating a peace may not be as bad as all the arm chair warriors think it will be. We’ll see what happens 2025, that still gives Dargo plenty of time to put his money where his mouth is, pick up a rifle and show us American’s how to fight in a war.

Dargo 07-20-24 05:37 PM

Too old to ever get drafted and not in my nature to take orders from a state.

mapuc 07-20-24 06:38 PM

I've heard and read how voters are going to put their vote on Biden, not because they support him, it's more a case of preventing Trump from winning.

If this should be true then they could keep Biden as their candidate and not force him to resign.

The support for Harris on the other hand, has grown the last few days and she would be a good candidate for Dems

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg3jw2gexedo


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