And yet, religion causes nothing but problems for centuries. :har:

You don't need a church or religion to find peace.
What next? Atheists are immoral because they have no religion?

Sorry but that's just not true. For every problem created there are a million solved both big and small, individual and community. Just because you blindly choose to focus solely upon the negative doesn't mean the good doesn't exist.

You don't need a car to travel across the country either but it sure helps. Religion is a tool created to find peace. It's your choice whether you use it or not.

Certainly not but judging by your comment Atheists do seem to have rather large chips on their shoulders.

No jab taken Heck i'm not very religious anyways having been to church once in the past 40 years and that was only to take my wheelchair bound Mom to mass.

I think what religions detractors tend to miss is the institutions usefulness as a community organizational tool. Look at some of the things that my moms church does for it's parishioners. It provides child care, elder care, food and clothing banks, social events as well as advice and assistance on all manner of everyday issues from plumbing to cake recipes.

The world is a big and scary place to the individual. That's why it's human nature to form bands and tribes. Religion is just another version of that instinct.

Yes. And the moon is made of cheese! :yeah:

Heartwarming video outta London.
Remember: "We are the problem, not religion." :up:

Skybird needs a good trek trough the Alps.
You can't find peace in an establishment mired with corruption, scandals, kneeling, talking, preaching, hearing how you're going to burn in hell and then someone puts a bag infront of your face for tax free donations...

*Gasp*:o

I just realized, at work I'm surrounded by Muslims! :wah:
I'm doomed! They all have to be evil, they must be radicalized, they must have two faces and most likely lied to me, I talked about the Islam with them and probably by doing so I have been brainwashed at this point.

السلام عليكم

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So does ideology and patriotism/nationalism. Your point is?

Some do, some don't...

I don't know....I find some of them as loud, obnoxious as the religious people I take a dislike to and they seem to have the same annoying habbit of constantly repeating themselves over and over again.

+1

It isn't about convenience.
It is about reality.

Islam causes trouble, everywhere and on all levels.
Be it directly by being radical as in physically violent or passively by playing the always well working victim-card to pressure changes inside European countries, starting harmless by pushing Lego to ban "Jabba's Palace" in Denmark because it "ridicules their mosques" (BS!) or demanding Islam-classes in German schools (surely just to educate our children early about the Religion of Peace(™) right?), the abuse of animals (by slaughtering them like "Allah wants it"), allowing "muslimic clothing (aka Burka!) and so on.
We do not talk about religion only here, I use the word ideology on purpose, since we also talk about the way of life, social order/structures and ethics - if you can call it that in this case.
Islam teaches, sorry, commands to spread out and assimilate countries and conquer it, one way or another and I struggle to see how some people still refuse to see that, despite all the evidence we gathered over the years, especially in 2014/15!

They even openly say it, how they will "breed" westerners out of Europe, which they are doing right now, btw. but let's just...ignore this.
And just because Kebab-Ali from around the corner won't jump in face yelling "Allahu Akbar!" doesn't mean that Islam itself is not bat****-radical!
I wonder, what else do you need to see all that?
How can you ignore this and act as if we talk about "a few guys who are pushing the boundaries a little"?

Am I so wrong, are my observations so unrealistic, am I just paranoid?
All cool then, let's just go on and let it happen, what could possibly go wrong, they are all so nice after all, I'm sure we can talk about everything... just remind them not to rape our girls on their way to school in the mean time (just happened here again I read this morning, yay!) - which they of course can't know better! Let's be tolerant and reach out!

Oh and talking about rape. You sure have heard of the completely racist and islamophobic© term "Rape of Sweden", haven't you?
What do you say to that?
Propaganda?
Wrong statistics?
Coincidence?

I read that ~77% of these crimes are committed by foreigners (so... muslims!) - who are a minority with 5% (FIVE).
But since we have to(?) respect their ****ty ideology, we can hardly blame them, after all they just follow their Prophet! :/\\!!

So yeah, let us just continue to waste time and get each other off in this awesome circle-jerk while news like I just mentioned happen again, again, again, again and again.
Let us focus on the important part - being politically correct because, seven Hells, we might have an inconvenient opinion.
Let's not waste any time with actually taking care of the problem at hand because Europe is in danger and the people of Europe can't trust or rely on their politicians at all anymore, as we can see - or am I wrong!?
Please tell me!

Why not:
1. CLOSE the borders, no more messing around, safety first!
2. Create camps in controlled and guarded areas where those who flee from terror, war and certain death can be helped.
3. Send those who break any law/commit any crime, major or minor back immediately, no questions asked. You had your chance buddy, now piss off!
4. Refuse those from any country that isn't a war zone, this is a sovereign country, not a free-for-all arena!
(Last time I checked MOROCCO was no war zone, unlike places in Cologne and Hamburg on new years eve!)

It may suck, it is unpleasant, but it also isn't rocket science and it is necessary and YES, I am very emotional about this by now!

Whenever somebody gives me just most far-fetched and exaggerated extremes as an "argument", I realise that he has nothing to say that would base on reality.

The Alpine trek idea sounds tempting, even more since I am definitely no city lover. When I am in a forest and meet a pedestrian once an hour, I already consider the place as crowded. I mean who walks out into nature just to meet even more foreign people? I go into nature to get some relief from people - not to meet them.

I found out that above 1200m sea level people become tolerable (at worst).
Under that height you meet and abundance of sport and health fanatics that are either judgmental of one's sub-cosmopolitan figure or preachy about how one should live to get their own figure. They don't go above 1200m though, too many ''don't give a damn'' hikers to notice them.
Don't worry, I hate humanity but even I find that mountain hikers are nice to meet.

No, you are not paranoid or wrong. But like all problems, the solution must be achievable. I agree that there can be no good from mass immigration as we have been witnessing. That's the first step, get control of your borders, just as the US must do the same. The next stage will be to root out the radicals in the homelands. That is where the source of trouble is causing the problems of mass immigration. And that is going to require a very robust military operation, which I cannot imagine Germany, Sweden, Denmark, France, and Finland are capable of, in terms of political will.

Some think that when people of a very different culture settle in your homeland, they will learn your ways and fit in. Often they do, the US is famous for that and it produces a very positive outcome. But the "other" is not legally or morally bound to accept your ways. In fact, if they have a strong enough culture, and if they make up enough percentage, in a democratic country, they can require that you accept their culture, and even that you adopt their culture. It's all in the numbers, and the strength of will. And in our politically correct,, very soft societies..... does not look good.

R for Russia.
R for Remove (kebab).

The campaigning for Arabic becoming mandatory school language in Germany, slowly gains momentum over here. Not just for migrant children - for native German children as well.

- We should understand that it is a different culture we are dealing with. To remove the child may cause her to be ostracized from her family

Said by some woman in a news program on Danish television, about the story that some grown men come along with their under aged wives. In Denmark, Sweden and Norway

In the political correctness name we approve this.(I don't)

Markus

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Nobody here is complaing about ALL the muslims in the world. Just the unabated flow of them walking down their streets.