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Rockstar 06-28-24 12:09 PM

Supreme Court rules that the Justice Department overstepped by charging 300 hundred people with obstruction in the Jan. 6 riot.

Imagine that, Biden DOJ trampling on people’s civil rights, who would’ve thought that possible? :har:

Rockstar 06-28-24 12:45 PM

Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

Jimbuna 06-28-24 12:58 PM

Biden calls Trump a 'a lying, dog-faced pony solider' in Atlanta


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...&ei=18#image=4

This can't carry on up to the election surely.

Rockstar 06-28-24 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2916179)
Biden calls Trump a 'a lying, dog-faced pony solider' in Atlanta


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...&ei=18#image=4

This can't carry on up to the election surely.

Neither of them have been nominated to run for president by their party yet. But Biden has already stated he’s looking to the second debate, can’t wait. Lol

mapuc 06-28-24 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2916175)
Republican Chip Roy has said that today he will introduce resolution calling on VP Harris to start 25 amendment process to remove Biden due to mental incompetency

Have it ever happened that a VP have signed a paper to remove a President.

Markus

Rockstar 06-28-24 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2916189)
Have it ever happened that a VP have signed a paper to remove a President.

Markus

I think we’ve gone over this before. Removing a sitting president would involve an act of congress and quite possibly an endless amount of litigation before the Supreme Court of the United States. This thing about VP signing a piece of paper amounts to nothing more than a formality for an already agreed upon decision.

Imo Chip Roy’s resolution is not going anywhere, it’s political hay, a nothing burger.

mapuc 06-28-24 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2916190)
I think we’ve gone over this before. Removing a sitting president would involve an act of congress and quite possibly an endless amount of litigation before the Supreme Court of the United States. This thing about VP signing a piece of paper amounts to nothing more than a formality for an already agreed upon decision.

Imo Chip Roy’s resolution is not going anywhere, it’s political hay, a nothing burger.

Thank you for the explanation

Yes I think we have discussed this before and now I recall what Platapus said to me.
(From memory)
A President can't be removed without his VP say so and no VP would stab their boss in the back. It have happened before though and this was because the President was very ill and could not fulfill his duty.
(It's possible I'm remembering wrong)

And I who thought he was serious this Republican Chip Roy

Markus

Rockstar 06-28-24 04:08 PM

The Supreme Court Issues Its Biggest Ruling This Year

Reigning in the alphabet agencies.

https://youtu.be/m6DKOrAEJEw

Rockstar 06-28-24 04:16 PM

Oh and by the way in response to Biden’s claim.

Border Patrol Union: 'we never have and never will endorse Biden'

Jimbuna 06-29-24 05:13 AM

Is Joe Biden v Donald Trump really the best the United States, the so-called leader of the free world, can do? - The Irish News view

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IT is little wonder that senior Democrats are in open panic after President Joe Biden’s faltering performance in yesterday’s televised debate.

The painful clash with his rival, the convicted felon and former president Donald Trump, confirmed that the invidious choice being put before the American people is between the forgetful and the best-forgotten.

Both of the establishment parties in the US have let down their nation in not only throwing their weight behind candidates who are unsuitable for the job but by also recklessly turning blind eyes to their manifest shortcomings.

This matters most deeply to those living in the United States. But it matters everywhere else too; as the ‘leader of the free world’, the office of US President is of global significance.
It’s one of the reasons why the Biden administration’s kid gloves approach to Israel and its genocidal campaign in Gaza has been so profoundly dismaying. Although uniquely placed to bring some moral leadership into that spiralling catastrophe, US intervention has so far had negligible positive impact.

For us in Ireland, there is an emotional link to the US that goes far beyond the political and economic. Generations of migration and kinship mean that our DNA is woven through the fabric of America. The Irish literally helped build the United States, and we want to ensure it stays standing.

President Biden did get it right when he said that Trump has the morals of an alley cat, a jibe that is, if anything, likely to lead to complaints from disgruntled alley cats

That’s why we can only regret that the defining question in this presidential race is not about policies but personalities, and specifically whether Mr Biden should even be on the ticket.

The incumbent did get it right when he said that Trump has the morals of an alley cat - a jibe that is, if anything, likely to lead to complaints from disgruntled alley cats - but, sadly, Mr Biden’s contributions were distinguished by rambling, unfinished sentences and awkward moments when he seemed to freeze. He was most dynamic during a bizarre exchange about golf handicaps, during which he challenged Trump to a driving contest. It was hard to watch.

Trump, for his part, lied almost every time he spoke. But he didn’t speak as often as we have come to expect; he realised that it was to his advantage when he stayed quiet and Mr Biden did the talking. “I really don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence, and I don’t think he knows what he said either,” said Trump after a meandering answer from Mr Biden.

Less consequential was a debate hosted by BBC NI ahead of our own general election. We learned little new from this, though it gave the publicly-funded broadcaster an opportunity to show it can still host a current affairs programme in front of a live studio audience.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...a88d7310&ei=94

Jimbuna 06-29-24 05:40 AM

The man who could be president if Biden steps down

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Amid calls for Joe Biden to step down following his catastrophic performance at the presidential debate, one man has hovered around the edges reminding the Democrats that he is there should the 81-year-old commander-in-chief fail. With his Hollywood good looks and perfect wife and family he seems like a president straight out of central casting. But behind the slick (literally) exterior is a seasoned operator accused of ruining California with woke laws, rising crime and who has a very uncomfortable link to the Trumps.

Meet Gavin Newsom, 56, who is in the middle of his second and final term as California's governor. With no re-election campaign to run, Newsom set his sights on nationwide recognition by appearing on TV clashing over social issues with Republicans like Ron DeSantis - and front and center at the presidential debate last night, where he adamantly defended Biden's catastrophic performance. Newsom was basking in the spotlight as he was surrounded by reporters. In one interview, Newsom attacked Trump and said he was a 'serial liar who is responsible for [sexual assault] victims being forced to carry their abuser's child to term'.

He actually has a very intimate connection to the Trump family, as his ex-wife, FOX anchor Kimberly Guilfoyle, is engaged to the former President's son, Donald Trump Jr. Newsom and Guilfoyle were married for five years before their divorce in 2006, while he was the mayor of San Francisco. He has since remarried and had four children with his now-wife Jennifer Siebel Newsom. Since he took over as California's governor in 2019, Newsom has introduced new laws to make the state a sanctuary for women seeking abortions post Roe v Wade as well as a literal green haven by banning the sale of new fossil-fuel cars by 2035.

He also introduced policies beneficial to illegal immigrants, like offering undocumented immigrants the opportunity to get health insurance. Newsom has been harshly criticized for his leadership of the state, with Republicans pointing to the state's $46.8 billion budget deficit, high tax rates, large homeless population and the proliferation of property crimes in its largest cities. While Newsom said that claims that he could replace Biden, 81, were 'farcical,' his appearance has sparked claims that the governor was placed in front of cameras at the debate as part of a plan to take over as the candidate for the Democrats.

Former pre-candidate for president Vivek Ramaswamy said: 'What we witnessed tonight wasn't an accident, it was intentional. Brace yourself for a wild 5 months ahead.' Ramaswamy has been floating around the theory that the Democratic party was planning to replace Biden since last year's Republican debates in November. Many have even theorized that the Democratic party wanted Biden to perform poorly all along to create an exit strategy that would see Newsom become the candidate.

Progressive Bloomberg columnist Erika Smith argued Newsom has been running a shadow campaign as Biden's backup, citing his debate with Florida governor Ron DeSantis and his meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping, which raised his international profile. 'He's doing that thing that all presidential hopefuls do: He is working on a memoir,' Smith argued. Senior party leaders are privately pushing for Newsom or Michelle Obama to step in following Biden's disastrous showing on Thursday.

Biden dismissed calls to leave the race last night - insisting the debate with Trump 'went well' - but behind the scenes the Democrats are in chaos with many pushing the panic button. The governor also dismissed the notion that Biden could be replaced and urged in a fundraising email for the Democrats today: 'Don't look at 30 minutes... look at 3 and a half years of Joe Biden as president.' But he also told reporters after the debate: 'This country, the world, they need us right now to step up and that's exactly what I intend to do,' which some may see as an indication of his White House aspirations.

Newsom's term as California's governor is up in January 2027, and he is a favorite to be one of the top contenders in the 2028 presidential race. His role as one of the Biden campaign's top surrogates has made him a target of Republicans who have repeatedly held up California as an example of Democrats' mismanagement. A few weeks ago a statewide survey from the Public Policy Institute of California found 59 percent of likely voters believed California is headed in the wrong direction while 52 percent disapprove of the way Newsom is handling his job as governor.

The survey was based on responses from 1,098 likely voters with a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points. Outside the office, Newsom portrays himself as a loving father and family man, who happily smiles as he walks hand-in-hand with his wife and their four children Montana, Hunter, Brooklyn and Dutch. Newsom was branded a COVID hypocrite during the pandemic for imposing a mask mandate in schools while Montana and Hunter attended a basketball camp maskless.

Newsom pulled them out of the camp in July 2021, and at the time insisted he 'missed' the email that stated the kids wouldn't have to wear face coverings. It wasn't the only time he was accused of double standards during lockdown, after he was caught having a maskless meal at the lavish French Laundry restaurant.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...f&ei=8#image=1

Rockstar 06-29-24 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2916243)
The man who could be president if Biden steps down

Dang, no idea you Brits had such difficulty telling the difference between a man and a woman. Problems in the British education system that bad?

Just a quick FYI, if Biden were to step down Kamala Harris would take his place and umm she’s a woman.

This might help you with the birds and the bees.

https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/1000v/...r-16299437.jpg

mapuc 06-29-24 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2916253)
Dang, no idea you Brits had such difficulty telling the difference between a man and a woman. Problems in the British education system that bad?

Just a quick FYI, if Biden were to step down Kamala Harris would take his place and umm she’s a woman.

Have to ask-Will She be picked by the Dems to run for office ? Yes she will replace Biden, if he steps down, but She have the office until Jan 20th 2025 if She is not elected-That is if the Dems nominee her or not

Markus

Jimbuna 06-29-24 07:33 AM

Looks like he won't be getting the vote of at least one family member.

'A criminal and a traitor': Mary Trump urges voters to see her uncle is 'unhinged'


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President Biden may have been fighting a cold during Thursday night's debate, but for Mary Trump — Donald Trump can't undo being tarred as a traitor.

The former president's niece's latest Substack write-up titled: "Why I’m still with President Biden: The other guy is a menace" tries not to get stuck on Biden's poor effort during the consequential rematch on the world's stage before 50 million people — one of them standing eight feet away in his Republican rival former President Donald Trump.

"It would be absurd to pretend that President Joe Biden had a good debate last night," she wrote. "I was there — he did not."

But for all the fallout that has the incumbent's base whispering about replacing Biden after he barely could form sentences and often lost his train of thought, Mary Trump still has faith that her uncle can be beat.
Especially if the voters are reminded of who Trump is.

As she writes: "I’ll take hoarse and halting over hate-filled and unhinged every day of the week."

The ex-president's niece didn't pull punches in regard to the CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, whom she accuses of choosing to "abdicate their journalistic responsibility" by not pressing Trump who she describes as "an enemy of American democracy and a free press."

She also wondered why they steered clear of her uncle's historic guilty verdict for falsifying business records to favor more time on "inflation and immigration."

And for her, Biden scored points.

"I do know that Biden called out my uncle for raping [New York writer] E. Jean Carroll and his tanking of the American economy," she wrote. "I do know that Joe Biden is a good man who knows the difference between allies and enemies, freedom and tyranny, and right and wrong."

After Thursday, Mary sees a binary choice in this presidential election: "President Biden had a cold and stumbled badly. Donald Trump is a traitor. The former should not in any way negate the latter."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...c5ed099b&ei=22

Rockstar 06-29-24 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2916255)
Have to ask-Will She be picked by the Dems to run for office ? Yes she will replace Biden, if he steps down, but She have the office until Jan 20th 2025 if She is not elected-That is if the Dems nominee her or not

Markus

Until a candidate is officially nominated by their respective party it’s anyone’s guess. I will say this what’s happening now should not be a surprise to anyone. Plenty people here and around the country were well aware there was a problem with Biden’s mental health voicing their concerns before he was even elected, you didn’t need to be a health professional to see it. Honestly anyone who couldn’t see this coming was either deaf, dumb, blind or a fool.


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