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MPs who want to stop a no-deal Brexit will seek to bring forward legislation against it this week, shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer has said.

He said the plan was to prevent the PM "from taking us out of the EU without a deal" but he did not go into detail.

Cabinet minister Michael Gove refused to guarantee that the government would abide by it if it passed, saying: "Let's see what the legislation says."

The government is "not doing anything to facilitate a no deal", he said.

Mr Gove also said "some" food prices "may go up" and "other prices will come down" in the event of a no-deal Brexit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942

STEED

09-01-19 05:18 PM

Politician's are good at one thing talking a bill down in the HoC/L. Yes it will be a interesting week but I'm not falling for mass media hype, those days for me are over.

Teflon Tony is back, Monday will see him give a Brexit speech but what caught my attention on the news old Teflon Tony will say Labour must avoid a snap general election.

The way I see that as it stands on that small snippet of news Labour are better off where they are. Why...I would say Bojo is starting to act like a mad man and the more draconian he comes the better the odds for Labour.

Of course saying that I need to hear his speech and these events unfolding our being taken over by the minute with something new. Its getting chaotic and this week coming oh heck....:doh:

Jimbuna

09-02-19 05:12 AM

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The government is trying to "purge" Tory rebels who oppose it over Brexit, ex-Justice Secretary David Gauke says.

A senior source from the whips office - which ensures MPs vote on party lines - said those who voted to block no deal would be expelled and deselected.

The threat came as opposition MPs prepared to introduce legislation in an effort to avoid no deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49543430

This should be a most pivotal and entertaining week ahead.

It looks like Boris is sticking to his 'do or die' position and in so doing is the first PM in a good while to have the gonads to carry out what he says he will.

Jimbuna

09-02-19 05:14 AM

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Former prime minister Tony Blair has warned Jeremy Corbyn that having a general election before Brexit would be an "elephant trap".

Speaking at an event hosted by the Institute for Government, Mr Blair said the "brutally clear" challenge in an election is that the opposition vote would be split and "under our system, that delivers a comfortable Tory majority".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...-elephant-trap

First piece of sensible rhetoric I have heard from him for a long time.

STEED

09-02-19 05:52 AM

The nameless one has given a speech about a new radical labour government, yea momentum pulling all the strings.

Jimbuna

09-02-19 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2625426)

First piece of sensible rhetoric I have heard from him for a long time.

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Jeremy Corbyn says the UK "needs" a general election, despite warnings from Tony Blair that such a vote would be "an elephant trap" for Labour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

Why not, he's got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Jimbuna

09-02-19 08:43 AM

I reckon some treasonous people should refresh their memories.

https://www.facebook.com/ChangeBrita...0083781817770/

"If we vote to leave, then we will leave."

Jimbuna

09-02-19 02:07 PM

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The government is expected to table a motion to hold a general election on 14 October if it is defeated by MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit on Tuesday.

Boris Johnson said he did not want an election, but progress with the EU would be "impossible" if they won. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49558596

I'm not Boris biggest fan but I thought the speech he gave from outside No 10 was fair and balanced.

STEED

09-02-19 04:45 PM

Substitute she for he and you got.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3PKE8uTSp8

STEED

09-03-19 03:54 AM

In the mean time I will say this Bojo faces a much more up hill battle than Maybot did and here's why. With Ruth stepping down as leader in Scotland they could loose half those seats to the SNP, here in England the Brexit party will do a lot of damage to Bojo. The DUP could redraw their support from Bojo in another hung parliament if they don't get what they want.

Bojo is a great campaigner but not PM material he can not focus to long before getting bored and moving on.

The only winners will be the LibDems but they will not be the biggest party.

Jimbuna

09-03-19 04:13 AM

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Philip Hammond says he is prepared for the "fight of a lifetime" in order to stand as a Conservative in the next election.

The former chancellor told Today "I am going to defend my party against incomers, entryists...people who are at the heart of this government who care nothing about the future of the Conservative party."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...efend-my-party

Not if you're deselected you aint.

STEED

09-03-19 04:18 AM

^What rot, nothing to do with the party more like his cosy pay, holidays and all those nice trimmings that come with being a MP.

Jimbuna

09-03-19 04:21 AM

He's a millionaire actually so I suspect this is about personal pride and public face.

STEED

09-03-19 04:34 AM

Well then he can set up a new conservative party with all that dosh.

Jimbuna

09-03-19 04:43 AM

Actually despite the opinions of a growing number of the public and dare I say yourself included, some, not a great many but some politicians are genuine people who are in politics because they believe in what they do for the good of the electorate.

Over the years I have met quite few and they are like a breath of fresh air, often cleansing me of pent up cynicism.

Sadly, there are a great many who are the exact opposite but when you meet them you soon suss them out and learn not to take any notice of their rantings.

Jimbuna

09-03-19 08:52 AM

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The PM faces a showdown in Parliament later as MPs aim to take control of the agenda to stop a no-deal Brexit.

Ex-chancellor and Tory rebel Philip Hammond said he thought there was enough support for the bill, seeking to delay the UK's exit date, to pass.

No 10 officials warned the prime minister would push for an election on 14 October if the government lost.

Boris Johnson said he did not want an election, but progress with the EU would be "impossible" if MPs won.

Last-ditch efforts to get the Tory rebels on side have been taking place, but BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said the meeting between the prime minister and the group went "less than swimmingly" and was "less than cordial".

There are thought to be about 15 confirmed Tory rebels - set against the government's working majority of just one.

The government had hoped the threat of an election - and of deselection and expulsion from the party - would be enough to bring rebels into line.

To call an election under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, Mr Johnson would need support from Labour as he requires the backing of two-thirds of the UK's 650 MPs to trigger a poll.

But BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said the momentum inside Labour was increasingly against giving Mr Johnson support for a snap election.

"Why? Because they don't trust him not to change the date of the election to after 31 October, after we have left the EU without a deal,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49560557

This really quite a conundrum but matters should look a little clearer after tonights vote which is scheduled to commence at 9pm.

Jimbuna

09-03-19 09:48 AM

BREAKING NEWS: Tory MP Phillip Lee defects to Lib Dems, leaving UK government with no working majority in Commons.

mapuc

09-03-19 10:52 AM

Please enlighten me.

Was the several voting option to those who wanted to leave EU ?

I already know the answer...

So why are the politicians in the English Parliament, many of them, mocking the English voters - Those who voted - Leave EU.

Markus

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