Guns should have specified. I'm Australian though so I'm biased because we don't have easily accessible guns and we hear about all these shootings in America and we just sit their and yell at our tvs asking how you are allowing guns to still be so easily acquired.

Ok, now your sputtering the same horsecrap accross two different threads. Your trolling at this point. Some of your countrymen would disagree with you as well. Not everyone believes as you do.

Your also proof positive that progressive advocates for a police state, those that would surrender their rights and liberty for the illusion of safety - live all over the world.

I disagree. I don't think he's trolling, just stating his opinion. From his point of view he has a valid point, and he doesn't understand the thinking here. Of the colonies only America and India actively tried to throw off British rule, and only America actually went to war over it. He doesn't understand that the American Revolution, the shooting part anyway, started the day the British Colonial Governor of Massachussetts sent troops to confiscate a privately-held armory full of cannons. He doesn't understand that we wrote the Second Amendment to guarantee that it would never happen again. The British government learned the lesson and let the other colonies go peacefully, though they still are part of the Commonwealth and consider themselves to be subjects of the same Crown. He lives in a world where the government is benefactor and friend, though to listen to some British members here you wouldn't think so.

We, on the other hand, live in a world where the government was created by us for our use, not the other way around. That this is no longer true is to our shame, but we keep our guns and our Second Amendment in the hope that if push comes to shove we will be able to do something about it. That these shootings happen is tragic, but it is not the fault of the guns or the gun owners; it is the fault of the sick minds who do these things, and that is what needs to be dealt with.

TwoGamers isn't a troll. He just doesn't understand.

:timeout: Not quite right Steve. Malaya and Aden also waged war against their colonial overlords.:know:

LOL. Good for them, and I gladly stand corrected. :sunny:

Steve,

Canadians also tried to overthrow the British in 1837, a joint operation by Quebeckers and Ontarians, although it was not successful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellions_of_1837

It did however push the British to grant limited home rule in 1849 and "de facto" independence, at least in domestic matters, in 1867.

That looks more along the line of our own "Whiskey Rebellion", in that it wasn't a national revolution but a disaffected group taking up arms. Canada didn't rebel against the Crown. I like the part where there were only 4100 "Patriotes", but 25,000 American supporters.

That makes no sense.
Firearms are a useful tool.

On the subject of guns. As much as i love my rifle, the history geek (and spaghetti western fan) in me wants an 1851 Richards-Mason conversion. :D

Why that one especially?

In what way a firearms a useful tool? Still allow them on properties (I really need to specify more) but don't have them widely avaliable to everyone.

They really get the point across when you say you're not interested in a copy of Watchtower. :D

Decorating.
A firearm in your country can be a useful tool for accesorising your properties appearance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...dogs-fence.jpg

I'm beginning to think there may be something to be said for gun ownership after all... :)