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Skybird 08-29-19 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2624833)
The average voter in this county has fallen for the lies and lies and more lies with a good helping of BS.

Of course they have. Thats what makes morons morons. Modern democracy: in plain English: clueless voter bribery and incompetent voter persuasion.


The whole dersign we have these days - it doe snot cut it. It just doe snot cut it. Its insane.

Jimbuna 08-29-19 06:05 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/wvC8GxwB/0-t-Vg00d0q-TMUFVNv-X.jpg

STEED 08-29-19 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2624840)
Of course they have. Thats what makes morons morons. Modern democracy: in plain English: clueless voter bribery and incompetent voter persuasion.


The whole dersign we have these days - it doe snot cut it. It just doe snot cut it. Its insane.

Is there any hope SKY or our we the very very few doomed as the Dodo? :ping:

Jimbuna 08-29-19 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2624843)
Is there any hope SKY or our we the very very few doomed as the Dodo? :ping:

In all seriousness I'd say your'e actually thriving on the subject.

STEED 08-29-19 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2624846)
In all seriousness I'd say your'e actually thriving on the subject.

Nah, making no money from it. :haha:

Skybird 08-29-19 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2624843)
Is there any hope SKY or our we the very very few doomed as the Dodo? :ping:

Its like an explosion taking place in extreme slow motion. You see the fireball, the smoke cloud, the debris in the air - all frozen still.People think they can safely work around them, avoiding them. But when you look long eno9ugh, you see its slow movement, and then you can canclude how it necessarily ends. Explosions never construct. They destroy. Or should I say: implosions, collapses. Its all the same.

That we do not feel hit by the shockwave every day does not mean it is not there, is not expanding, is not unfolding. Its real for sure.

And slomo may be switched off just any time. Thats what historians later would call "turning points of history". Then things may go very fast, quickly, faster than anyone previously imagined. The fall of the wall and German reunfication were such examples. The last outbreak of symptoms of the financial crisis back in 2007 was another. It must not all slide and go in an rush all of a sudden. But it can. We are dancing and partying on a grumbling volcano.

Add to these domestic political problems more material ones, even more direct ones. Cyber terrorism. Cyber warfare by a hostile nation. Blackout due to cyberstrikes, or collapse of the powergrid by inherent instability (thank you, Germany...). Pandemics. These are the likely and by far not unreasonable scenarios on my mind. Not to mention: collapse of FIAT money system.

All this is the reason why I have activated my personal material preparation plan earlier this year, and now am sitting on ressources that could keep me afloat for quite some time if supply lines and logistics break down: food, water, energy, fuel, heat, hygienic articles, batteries, medicine. I one day woke up and thought of how my grandparents did. And it dawned me that being prepared is not stupid or exotic or crazy - but a virtue. My scenario is limited to urban survival, however. I am too old and vunerable and weak for the wilderness stuff nowadays - not to menton that there is no wilderness in reach of the next couple of hundreds of kilometers .

Jimbuna 08-29-19 07:35 AM

Is this you then ? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQC5paWtOcQ

Jimbuna 08-29-19 07:43 AM

Ruth Davidson has quit as leader of the Scottish Conservatives after eight years in the job. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49509275

Well, here it is, the most predictable outcome I suppose. She never did get on with Boris and tbh she is far from being alone on the matter.

Skybird 08-29-19 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2624865)

The guy in the video is sober to ther point of beeing boring - but he is right with all he said.

Being prepared, is reasonable. Like driving a car with a 5 or 10 l reserve canister of gas on your backseat. Or travelling a desert with that additional extra bottle of sweet water in your rucksack. Or locking your housedoor before leaving the place.

I am stored up for 90 days of comfortable life and eating and drinking, cooiking and heating and caring for sanitary needs, if rationizing, even longer. But I planned for my parents as well who are older and not as interested in doing this kind of thing anymore, so when dividing stuff by three, its enough for around 30 days, 4-5 weeks. Which is a reasonable timeframe, i would say. Neverending zombie-doomsday apocalypse is not what I had on mind.



I also have a bug out bag, a love from my travelling times in the nineties. There is an active nuzclear plant eat-northeast of Münster, Lingen, and the wind often comes from right that direction. There is a bttery of old, some very critical nuke plants in the Western plkaces of Belgium and Francer. And switched-off nuclear plants still could turn into hazards. The bag is packed with urban needs on mind, not living in the wilderness. But I can grab basic stuff and jump start for evacuation within 5 minutes and holding out by my own means for 48 hours, in urban environment or in nature.

Also, as a matter of fact, a national or continental blackout is anything but unreasonable. Since the German "Energiewende", the powergrid in Germany - once praised or being the possibly most stable one in the world - has become increasingly shaky, and there is, since years, not a single week, without critical events and incidents that are caused by too much heat, too much cold, overproduction, short: by ammounts of balancing acts needed that put enormous stress on the electric infrastrastructure of the whole continent and that pushes more and more often to the brink of collapse. Our neighbouring states are so very thankful for the stupid germans hysterically destroying their powergrid stability for surreal Angst, by that negatively influencing and compromsing the powergrid stability of the whole continent. I have to go back to my pre-school childhood to remember the last time I expoerienced a short power blackpout, it must have been in the early 70s. But since some years, micro blackouts, lasting less than a second, are back, two this year, three last year, two in the year before. The last one is just days ago. I have not seen that for around 45 years! Taken for themselves they look as harmless, singular irrelevant events. But in the bigger picture, they send a clear message of that the power supply in germany is fastly detoriating, and that the powergrid on many days of the year work on the very brink of disaster. And if we have one day of blackout, the consequences of that will be felt for WEEKS to come even if after 24 hours power is back. Thanks to globalization, disassembling of stockpiled reserve management and just-on-demand supply of ressources. The length of production and logistic chains will function like a catalysator for the negative effects of a blackout. And for itself, you cannot just switch off and on a powergrid of a nation or continent just from one hour to the next - some steps ake DAYS of preparation, and that means regions will lack electricity even days after the blackout already has '"ended". - In the ealry 00-years we had a severe winter her ein the Northwestern German region, around my hometown, electricity and heating went off for I think 2-3 days. And that already was when the grid had plenty of reserve structures and capacities - which it does not have these days anymore.

People just do not think about it, because it makes you feel the fundamental and growing insecurity we have to live in. But there is no freedom without self responsibility. If you always demand the state to care for every little detail, you just sell away both your self responsibility and your freedom. And your ability to do things yourself you sell away anyway. You become a dependant, weak lamb.

STEED 08-29-19 11:44 AM

So the nameless one will try a power grab next week and if it succeeds I just like too point out no one elected you. So you the nameless one will look like a right dork after declaring the same about Bojo.

When it comes down to the bigger monster you the nameless one or brexit i have a feeling parliament would rather stop you the nameless one first.

STEED 08-29-19 04:23 PM

Here we go folks that scum organisation is calling for action against bojo.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...nst-parliament

mapuc 08-29-19 04:48 PM

I wonder if the way the British people voted in this referendum, can tell us if they support Boris J or not in this closing the Parliament ?

Markus

STEED 08-29-19 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2624950)
I wonder if the way the British people voted in this referendum, can tell us if they support Boris J or not in this closing the Parliament ?

Markus

I voted leave as in a proper agreed agreement that was fair for both sides. Unfortunately politician's got in the way causing the bloody mess we have today. And no i don't support bojo's actions that have sealed his fate which only time will tell one way or the other.

I do agree the whole thing has been blown up by the media and the pro EU supporters which will lead to the other side of the fence hitting back....Vicious circle getting worst.:nope:

Jimbuna 08-30-19 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2624940)
Here we go folks that scum organisation is calling for action against bojo.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...nst-parliament

And this could well turn into the civil unrest I made mention of earlier.

Jimbuna 08-30-19 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2624950)
I wonder if the way the British people voted in this referendum, can tell us if they support Boris J or not in this closing the Parliament ?

Markus

Highly unlikely Markus because the referendum had no connection withg Boris or the closure of Parliament.

Jimbuna 08-30-19 04:55 AM

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A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

A group of 75 parliamentarians were seeking an interim interdict - similar to an injunction - at the Court of Session ahead of a full hearing.

Their request was declined by Lord Doherty, who said he was not satisfied there was a "cogent need" for an interdict.

However the full hearing will now be heard next Tuesday, rather than Friday.

Lord Doherty told the court that it was in the interest of justice, and in the public interest, that the case proceeds sooner rather than later.

But he said: "I am not satisfied that it has been demonstrated that there is a need for an interim suspension or an interim interdict to be granted at this stage."

This was largely because the full case will be heard before 9 September - the first possible date that parliament can be suspended.

The judge will hear legal arguments from the parliamentarians and the UK government on Tuesday, with his final ruling potentially being delivered the following day. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49521132
A first round victory for common sense but only a temporary one until the final hearing is concluded.

STEED 08-30-19 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2624990)
And this could well turn into the civil unrest I made mention of earlier.

I agree this could spill over on to the streets and get very ugly. Riots are not the answer and achieve nothing. Politician's caused this and they damn well better get this sorted out before we see riots up and down the land.


That court case only took place in Scotland because the High Court here was closed.

Jimbuna 08-30-19 05:47 AM

I can't see the judicial system wanting to get involved if they can avoid it at all because there are no laws actually being broken.

One thing is crystal clear though, this whole sordid affair is bringing all the elected individuals opposed to the referendum result out of the shadows and I predict many of them are signing away their political futures at the next general election.

The recent EU election whilst not exactly mirroring a general election did show a clear pattern of how the UK electorate might vote and Steptoe in particular has obviously forgotten how badly that turned out for Labour.

kraznyi_oktjabr 08-30-19 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2624996)
That court case only took place in Scotland because the High Court here was closed.

Did BoJo arrange extra holiday for people in the High Cout or what is the reason for this closure?

Jimbuna 08-30-19 05:52 AM

The Scottish court had the quickest/nearest free slot.


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