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Jimbuna 07-24-19 08:05 AM

Can hardly wait https://i.imgur.com/VMcZYe7.gif

Jimbuna 07-24-19 09:59 AM

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The new Lib Dem leader asked Theresa May what advice she would give to women dealing with men "who think they can do a better job, but are not prepared to do the actual work".

In reply, the outgoing PM urged all women to "be true to themselves" and "persevere", before congratulating Jo Swinson on her appointment.

Mrs May noted how many female party leaders there were in the House, adding that Labour was "the only party letting the side down".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...-party-leaders
A nice and most fitting parting shot from Theresa :)

STEED 07-24-19 10:02 AM

What a load of BS Bojo is spouting, we are screwed.

Jimbuna 07-24-19 10:04 AM

Sounds like someone just woke up to the smell of the coffee.

STEED 07-24-19 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2620034)
Sounds like someone just woke up to the smell of the coffee.

After downing a number of energy drinks. :haha:

I will not give him to the next general election before he falls on his rubber sword. :03:

HEY BOJO 5 BLOODY WEEKS TO SEE MY GP NOT 3!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x3qw4-HzWg&app=desktop

Bilge_Rat 07-24-19 12:42 PM

not as in the weeds as you guys, but what does it mean if anything that Dominic Cummings is becoming a senior aide to Johnson?

I only know him from the "Brexit" movie.

Skybird 07-24-19 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2619998)
^ Sky, in the simplest of terms....there is no way on earth that Parliament will accept a no deal Brexit.

Errr - why you tell me? Its not needed, I am aware of how the score stands.



Question: how will it be regarding the legal situation if nothing gets done but Johnosn does not get put down, but stays in office - and then October 31st comes and no deal on the table and the house not agreeing to leaving without a deal? What will decide it then? The house's decision and rule from some weeks ago that parliament must have the final word on brexit, or the letter of the law saying that if no agreement is signed it will be "Brexit yes", without deal? Which of these two legal conditions overrules the other?

STEED 07-24-19 02:08 PM

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson: Who's in his cabinet?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49043973
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Michael Gove Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Quote:

Duchy of Lancaster is appointed by the Sovereign on the advice of the Prime Minister
Hey was it the Queen? Nice one, a thorn in Boris's side. :haha:

Skybird 07-24-19 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2620073)
Hey was it the Queen? Nice one, a thorn in Boris's side. :haha:

About Ben Wallace (defence) they write: "He is married with three children."


Where's the uproar...? :haha:

Catfish 07-24-19 02:17 PM

Yes, after this 'speech' i understand why Trump likes him.

kraznyi_oktjabr 07-24-19 03:37 PM

Wikipedia says, that in the House of Commons there are 650 seats of which one is vacant and seven are "occupied" Sinn Fein absenters which brings total to 642 seats.


HM's Government has 321 seats (311 Tories and 10 DUPers). HM's Most Loyal Opposition (Steptoe's gang) has 247 seats while other oppostion has 73 seats. This would mean 321-320 majority for the HM's Government.


This brings up three questions:


1) According to the Wikipedia, there are 16 nominally independent MPs of which 5 have set up new parliamentary group. How many of these would support BoJo's cabinet in vote of no-confidence?


2) How many of Tory MPs would prefer losing their seat in general elections instead of supporting BoJo's cabinet?


3) Last but not least important: Is Wikipedia correct and have I counted this correctly?

STEED 07-24-19 05:01 PM

The Government has a majority of three with the backing of the DUP. Most of Parliament are EU remainers. The Tory MP's who are remainers sitting on a small majority that could loose their seats at the next general election could if they so choose become independent or join the LibDems. If Bojo looses four MP's he is in for a very hard time, question is will four or more during the summed break go for it. I have my doubts.

STEED 07-24-19 07:02 PM

Mogg appointed leader of the house. :haha:

Action this day...More like a bus crash.

Listening to LBC radio and they have said the odds on a general election this year have gone up big time.

Mr Quatro 07-24-19 08:30 PM

Isn't October 31st Halloween ... Trick or treat day? :o

Jimbuna 07-25-19 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2620055)


Question: how will it be regarding the legal situation if nothing gets done but Johnosn does not get put down, but stays in office - and then October 31st comes and no deal on the table and the house not agreeing to leaving without a deal? What will decide it then? The house's decision and rule from some weeks ago that parliament must have the final word on brexit, or the letter of the law saying that if no agreement is signed it will be "Brexit yes", without deal? Which of these two legal conditions overrules the other?

As things currently stand there is an act of Parliament in place stating we leave on 31st October. Should there be no agreement by then, that is what would happen. The only way out is for legislation to be passed rescinding Article 50.

My personal opinion is that this has not happened yet because MP's whose constituencies voted to leave would be showing there hand in public and many would show themselves to be in conflict with the wishes of those constituents who voted them in office.

A much preferred alternative will be to call a general election through a vote of no confidence in the government but that brings with it the risk of a bigger majority voting to leave and the MP's are running scared of the reality imho.

Parliament is currently unfit for purpose and it may take the actions of this current PM whether you like him or not to give the whole debacle a good shaking.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Jimbuna 07-25-19 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2620053)
not as in the weeds as you guys, but what does it mean if anything that Dominic Cummings is becoming a senior aide to Johnson?

I only know him from the "Brexit" movie.

Dominic Mckenzie Cummings is a British political strategist, who is currently Special Adviser to Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Cummings previously served as the Campaign Director of Vote Leave, the successful campaign advocating for the UK to vote to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum.

He is someone who has always worked tirelessly in the background, someone who is a Brexiteer and a fast won reputation for getting things done.

Bilge_Rat 07-25-19 10:18 AM

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So if I look at this chart from BBC, despite the purge, most of the new cabinet members backed "remain" and approved Theresa May's deal. So what is Johnson's strategy?

I would have thought he would pack his cabinet with true "Brexiters".

kraznyi_oktjabr 07-25-19 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2620235)
So if I look at this chart from BBC, despite the purge, most of the new cabinet members backed "remain" and approved Theresa May's deal. So what is Johnson's strategy?

I would have thought he would pack his cabinet with true "Brexiters".

I was surprised of this too at first. What I have pondered is that perhaps he is following old advice: "keep you allies close to you, and your enemies even closer". Could he be thinking, that by keeping them in the government there is lower chance of them screwing up the no-deal option if he (most likely) fails to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement?

Catfish 07-25-19 12:27 PM

Maybe he relies on Cummings and his propaganda lies again to turn it all around.

STEED 07-25-19 02:15 PM

I hear on the news the backstop can not be removed, the EU has fired its first shot against Bojo.


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