This precisely why I broke a personal twenty year tradition of visiting the Gala as soon as he came onto the scene.

Er.... Pardon?
You want to talk about sewing the seed of division?
have you still not realized or accepted that the success of the 'far right' is largely reactionary - and is a response to the far lefts past decade of work? Carving people up to special interest groups to demand not equality but equity.
BLM, the current generation of Feminism, LGBTQ etc. Where did all these 'groups' sprouted from? Answer - The Universities, and who runs the academia? Tommy Robinson and The far right? No, I don't think so.
Not to mention good old ATIFA masked in black, beating people and calling themselves 'anti fascists'. Amazing.

If you legitimize such group Identity, and then cast certain people out, don't be surprised when they join / form their own bitter resentful groups. You have after all just legitimized the practice.
In a nut shell If the far left hadn't spent the past decade promoting 'group identity', we would not have such a far right problem as we do now.
Look at the Lefty term 'people of colour' a term to lump all non-white people together, created by 'well to do' white people. but there can be no good outcome from creating such a divisive term.

Frustratingly much of Left are still pegging the rise of the far right on failed economics & capitalism.
The level of denial is amazing.
We had a major crash in 2008- and what rose from the aftermath of that?, Libertarians and socialists, yes - but nazis? not so much!

The left has its crazies just like the right, what we have now seen is what happens when the sensible leftists fail to control the fringes. Their own fringe grows and so does the 'rights' in backlash.

No i'd say it is a fact, whoever does it. I would not even know whether the left or the right is bader, though i think it is the side with big money trying to seed division. And while the left may have some, the big money is on the corporate 10 percent side, which is b.t.w. seldomly 'left', politically.


"Reactionary". Who was first, the hen or the egg? I would say that 'the right' in history almost always had the say in the past centuries and back to the cavemen (by sheer brutal force, or by religion explaining why males are more worth in god's eyes), maybe until the 1980ies. No, i would not call Stalin 'left' indeed.

But I am all for equity. Since people differ so much "equality" cannot match here. But equity, yes, everyone should have the same right to live, and pursue his/her/x (ahem lol, pc off from here i promise) path to happiness.

It is not so much about "feminism" but about equal treatment regarding the law. Why should a woman earn less if she perfoms same or even better than her male colleague? Shouldn't she be allowed to vote?

The Antifa are idiots. So the universities are the bad ones now since all those eggheads want to spoil my fun cruising around with a 8 litre Diesel truck by scientific methods and arguments fake news. I agree, damn them! Vote for Trump! Vote for brexit! To hell with their fancy theories, i want my fun and i want it now.


This genderism or whatever one calls it is ridiculous, but again imho it is a reaction of centuries of suppression, of women not being able to withstand brute power, and of minorities. And now since all can voice their opinion also minorities like transgender people see their chance to say it aloud. Why not? Imho it is an overreaction, and after all most people are not transgender. So why is the latter so scared?

Also majorities have been suppressed or enslaved, if you think of Africans (but not only). They have a good reason to protest today against racism don't you think so? And don't tell me racism is dead, not in the US, not in Europe, not in Russia, Asia or anywhere else in this oh so civilised world.

Back to genderism, LGBTQ and so on i guess it will even itself out when those undercurrents get out of fashion. Soon.

And back to those poor suppressed right wing people who say were not allowed to speak their mind openly and publicly until Trump under those bad left governments, in the last decades. (i guess this includes the KuKluxers?)
I'd say they the latter were not even holding back much, but then you are right insofar that "the left" (or should i say common sense) has obviously not paid enough attention to them. Whether this attention consists of allowing them to publicly lynch certain people or spread their racism in blogs and all over the internet, or this attention involves a certain kind of force towards arsonists and haters trying to bring society to its knees, is not really debatable?

Those bitter resentful groups indeed. So who really had to suffer in the last decades, by democratically elected presidents or governments? Was there racial unrest? Did people really suffer, physically, like in Iraq, Syriah? Most are moaning from their high horse, and it is ridiculous to see.
Social unrest, well. Enough to kill and hate others? Like with Mr. Luebcke in Germany? Or Mrs Cox in England?


It is a bit easy to blame it all on the left. They have their problems, wrong ideologies, and some are just donkeyholes. So the alternative is to use right wing terms for "coloured people". What would you propose?


I can agree, but still think that even the craziest left have a lot more humour than those "bitter and resentful" on the right.

It looks like Steptoe is finally being forced to climb down off the fence but sti;; falls short of his parties expectations.

This is the man who is the current favourite to become PM?

God help us :o

You messed it up, and they will do all they can to crush you into pieces after a Brexit.


On your knees, surrender to the EU, and beg for mercy.


We in the EU ruin ourselves - and in this we will not leave you behind. Promised.

I wouldn't dream of exclusively blaming the left for anything, 'the left' is still very broad -as is the right. But they do seem to struggle will calling out their own at the moment.

As for the term 'P.O.C'
My point is that the old right wing term 'coloured' and the new left wing term ' people of colour' are equally vile.
Can you give me one good reason why we need a term to segregate whites from non-whites at all? and one that wont involve any discrimination?
No you cant. And How is lumping all non whites in to one homogeneous group not racist?
The bottom line is - in a liberal meritocracy we should not need any term for that, no good can come of it.

Ultimately the far left is just as bigoted as the far right, they just have a difference of opinion on which groups require the 'preferential treatment' in order to achieve fairness. neither one wants equality and neither one values the sovereignty of the indervidual either. To either them you are very much defined by your race.
Mixed race people in particular don't take kindly to this as you can imagine, because they face rejection from both sides for not being 'pure' enough one way or the other.


Hmm, maybe go on twitter and post 'there are only two Genders, lol - just kidding' and see what happens....

So... I would disagree there, how many comedians is now that are afraid of performing at College campuses? How many conservative and even liberal speakers have been shut down /cancelled in the past few years? (some genuine far right yes, but not by and large)
The far left views certain words and ideas as violence and will meet satire of say racial and gender issues with the same level of anger as the real thing. Some have actually gone to prison for 'insensitive jokes'. So yes, when we are having to censor comedy primarily to appease far left activists - they are indeed every bit as humorless.
The Nazis were not known for there great sense of humor, but neither were the soviets, or any extremist for that matter, their entire wold views are driven by anger and resentment.

We seem to have a completely different perception, or things are very much different in both countries.
While liberal and left-wing comedians were there quite often, theatre and events of all kinds have been mostly organised by students all over the spectrum. This has almost come to nil since the right wing organises scrapping mobs to "dissolve" such actions or meetings. A lot are frightened to enter the campus anymore, let alone organise any events that have not something to do with the studies.

This includes "left" and "central" students and comedians alike. It is not that right wingers were forbidden, but to be true there was not much coming from them ever (speaking of Goettingen here).

When it comes to right wing organisations and e.g. AfD ideological "chief" Hoecke speaking publicly in the university, this and others have not been forbidden, although there were some (still peaceful) protests from a lot of students, and citizens.

I have experienced much more hate and violence from the right spectrum here.

Interesting, Where abouts are you Catfish?

This article & commentary sum it up nicely. (whats been happening to the left in the Anglo sphere at least)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXKImEwbChs

I see no evidence we are leaving the eu. None apart from a massive wast of money for the last three odd years.

I get the feeling your politicians are saying to you.

"We asked you a simple question

Shall we leave or stay in EU ?

And you couldn't give a correct answer to our very simple question.

So we will ask you again, and you better give a correct answer this time"

Markus

Yes more or less, the same kind of shenanigans that went down in Greece in 2012. 'We'll just keep asking, until we get the answer we want'.

Just watching the news on B&J debate last night and clearly Hunt is weak and cautious and Boris is brash and soundbites making him more dangerous.

Just going back to jim's link about the warning from the President of the WTO why something this big has not been front cover news? :hmmm:

I watched the debate on ITV last night (sad me) and one thing I did notice was the fact that Boris refused to answer any of the questions Hunt put to him whilst Hunt answered every one put to him by Boris.

Nigel must be wringing his hands in delight at the thought of an upcoming general election.

Quite an interesting article if true.

Hey if you don't like it call it fake news and the whole world will dismiss it :03:

True that :)

Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US amid row over leaked emails critical of Trump administration.

No doubt this will please Trump but I hope we find whoever is responsible for the leak.

^ some comments should never be made public :yep:
Though it is just of all those comments which provide inofficial background and valuable information for real political decisions.
I do not think Mr. Darroch made handwritten comments, just asking which internationally used US eMail program would he use .. :hmmm:

Hello Microsoft, just saying :03:

This is absolutely disgraceful and still Steptoe fails to act :nope: