Apologies, I meant to make reference to both Scotland and Ireland.

Just when you thought matters couldn't get any worse. This investigation is long overdue.

News papers tomorrow are reporting Labour will call for a second reforendrum and back it to the hilt. This will tear them apart even more as they are about too walk over their voters who voted leave.

Meanwhile the Tories fear calling a general election and the new leader will not be able to re-negotiate the brexit deal states the EU President.

Are we witnessing the self destruction of the two main party's? Not in my book.

Tory leadership candidates so far (Updated)

Boris Johnson 60%
Esther McVey 20%
Jeremy Hunt 50%
Rory Stewart 35%
Matt Hancock 40%
Dominic Raab 55%
Andrea Leadsom 35%
Michael Gove 55%
Sajid Javid 75%
Kit Malthouse 45%
James Cleverly 50%
(% is my predictions so far)



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...nduct-11730747

Please care to note BusGate had nothing to do with Nigel as Vote Leave wanted nothing to do with him so he ran his own campaign. I say this as I'm sick to death of Remainers saying it was Nigel.

Tom Watson is one of the few in Labour who are level headed and still speak some sense.

I voted for him at the leadership election but now fear he will become a new target for the loony left.

Sturgeon starts turning the screw (also gets the SNP's Radical wing off her back for now):

Indyref2 'framework' bill published at Holyrood

Why is Nicola Sturgeon making indyref2 plans?

Due to the pro-UK vote being spread out between three competing parties (SCon, SLab and SLibDem) lets just say that effective opposition to the SNP is quite poor. The SCons are hamstrung by their attachment to the UK Conservatives, SLab's almost at death's door whilst the SLibDems aren't big enough or popular enough to be much of a worry for the Nats and their Scottish Green allies (of convenience - there are ideological differences there).

Mike.

No need to Jim, I knew what you meant.:up:


Mike.

From a dutch point of view, or "how i learned to loathe England" :hmmm:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/m...loathe-england

"England has turned to something you really don't want in your club."
Not my opinion, because i know there are still some who do not vote for Farage, but some more yellow press 'reports' like from Express or The Sun and i'm not sure what to think anymore.
It is Brexit-Britain who wants a hard border in Ireland, not the EU.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/b...ning-1.3841576
"No one, not the Remainers or the Leavers, voted to jump off a cliff yet this is what we’re told we must embrace or face being labelled a “traitor”."
Brexit is not about the EU or about the economy, and it seems it never was.

^excellent reading. Thanks for posting this.

I don't envy you and those political problems you have to face in this Brexit times.

I guess we all have our own political problems in our countries.

Markus

Just watching the news and Old Jezzer thinks if he wins a general election he can talk to the EU and get a new deal. :doh:

Really?...:haha:

After reading those articles I'm simply thankful I only have electric ovens in the house :o

Most definitely :yep:

Place your bets its By-Election time..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-48384070

I like the look of.. Alan "Howling Laud" Hope - Official Monster Raving Loony Party




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48458370

Please not more, this is getting silly.

I noticed one of the candidates is Pierre Kirk, is he related to James T. :hmmm:

Mike Greene, the Brexit Party.

:haha:

Despite economical.. challenges (i guess you are right with electric ovens, since you have cut down all the forests and wood in Scotland, and your new SSBN subs can probably make up for electrical loss if connected to the power grid :O:) i found this paragraph to be the most clear:

" [...] And how can we ever get back from this dark place? From this childish, binary way of engaging with and talking about those we disagree with? How do we live with those who have embraced this breakdown of civil society to such an extent they feel free – emboldened even – to express their racism and anti-Semitism, their misogyny and homophobia, their angry, righteous ignorance publicly and with impunity?
I really grieve for what has been so carelessly and thoughtless thrown away.

For all those carefully constructed bridges between people, communities, countries, ways of life and thought, which have been burned, or are about to be burned, down. So when I look to the future my question is; will it ever again be possible for us not to be angry all the time?"

I think this question is valid for a lot of continental countries. I ask myself whether this is a last protest of the far right seeing their influence dwindle in enlightened times, or is is it really a shift back to darker ages.

https://news.sky.com/story/lib-dems-...-ever-11731962


What a load of rubbish, this is why I don't trust polls when I see this sort of trash. People have always voted in a different way at different elections.


Let us not forget YouGov was one of those polls that told us May was going to win the general election with a landslide victory and what happen? She needed the DUP to get her across the line.

The article below is approx. 30 minutes old but I saw her make the announcement at 22:40 on Question Time last night.

Not like the BBC to be so slow.

LibDems would win? Smug rabble-rouser Farage will make it.