With lethal precision missing the point.

Bingo.

Genocide seems to come to mind, but so does Hitler in the same sentence. Not quite an easy pill to swallow.

The problem i think islam for the most part hasnt cought up with the rest of the world, and are at odds with it. For example, christianty stayed with the current times and abanonded such obsurdity as Trial by ordeal, burning at the stake, or the like. Islam however, has not. Its a religion that, from all outward apperances is stuck in the past. They still call westerners "crusaders" and "infidels", leftover rhetoric from the crusades. That speaks volumes.

Islam must adapt itself to the modern world, or be pushed aside. Plain and simple.

Edit:
I see negative pressure on islam, and lots of it, a good thing. It will force moderates (if any exist) to seperate themselves from the not so moderates. If it doesnt coherse Islam to adapt to modern times, then it will polarize the world against it to take action - either way the problem will be solved.

No matter if they favor francophone people who are islamic or not, Quebec doesn't have the final say, so it'd be actually the Canadian government at fault.

However, I'd like to see some figures, like how much of the immigrants to Quebec/Canada actually have been muslims? There are no numbers, not even a link to support the myth, of a rapid influx of muslims into Canada... (I know the writer didn't say that, but he's implying just that)

If that article wasn't fearmongering and creating hysteria (it probably wouldn't if it would cite those numbers I've asked for) I don't know whatelse it is.

Use Google, like I did this afternoon. Figures I found (from Canadian government, so for some they may be trustworthy, for others not) since 2000 show that Ontario has the largest and Quebec the second largest Muslim communities in Canada. Figures also showed that during the last couple of years the total number of Muslims in Canada has doubled. what needs to be known is that the spreading pattern is not euqal everyhwere, and that Muslim colonies tend to build huge accumulation in major towns. So even a smaller group can gain more power in a location than a greater group that is scattered around.

But all that is not contradictory to what is said in that article. Peoiple just need to read it more precisely and at the samr time stop wanting to split hairs. Scnadium seem sto be unaware that most of ehat he has given in argument against that description in that article - is not in contradiction, partially even is supporting it.

Stop looking at single fields, Scandium. Watch the whole board.

This thread becomes worn out. So this thread i leave - exactly here.

I did some digging around on Statistics Canada's website, and according to the most recent published census (2001), the population of Muslims in Quebec is 108,620, which is 01.5% of Quebec's population.

Now with that in mind, let's look at another quote from that JihadWatch article:

Large-scale presence indeed. :roll:

And here is the link to see for yourself by the way, since I don't want you to take my word for it anymore than I'd expect rational, thinking people to take JihadWatch's word (since citing published facts, studies, and statistics would tend to undercut their agenda):

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo30b.htm

Just to clarify how immigration in Canada works - Althought I'm not a lawyer in any sense of the world.

Immigrants apply to the government of Canada, via an embassy or consulate, for visas or citizenship, stuff like that. The government of Canada decides wether they get in or not.

Where the provincial government gets involved is in selection. Suppose Québec needs pharmacists, or nurses. A guy in Ouganda feels like moving to Quebec - Rouyn-Noranda in particular. He can apply to the government of Quebec for selection. Since he's a pharmacist, and his wife is a nurse, and Rouyn can alway use some cultural diversity and immigration, Quebec selects them.

They phone Ottawa, and after twenty minutes of transferring and language problems, they tell each others that So-and-so would be welcome in Quebec. Immigration Canada will waive such thing as checking for profession, abillity to work, I don't know what. Then, they, and they alone, will handle the security checks and related stuff.

I don't see how the JW accound can be said to be factual. But then, I've been told long ago that that site was an unbiased news source, and I don't question what I'm told. Ever.

I'm asking for absolute numbers, when there was only 1 muslim in Canada it would now be 2, ok it's not like that but an increase by hundred percent, or doubling as you put it just sounds so much more dramatic, doesn't it?

Stop putting a spin to facts here.

You guys are queer, so before I got to bed, again: read that article again. There is the talk of a PARTY PROGRAM of a Canadian party. And there is the talk of what COULD happen because of that - if that program is made real, eventually. It is not about what already is. Scandium has successfully distracted all attention away from half a dozen other articles, and this article in it's true meaning as well, and has locked it all by pinpointing one single, but not really important sentence, and then clinging to it. He has admitted himself that there are differences between the practices between provinces, and between provinces and the central government. He has written it himself black on white, in an endless stream of words, it seems. The article just sums it up more economically: "that province has a policy of it's own". And by consequence, that is true. Period. What is your problem when most other readers seem to have understood during the first reading what it meant? You are stumbling over your own feed.

Stop staring at one and the same single field hours long. Watch the whole board. A movie is more than just one picture. In fact, in a movie you even cannot perceive the single picture.

And now - really, run this thread without me.

To Scandium.

No I don't believe the population of Canada will ever be 80% Muslim, unless Canadian Muslims hide in a cave, nuke Canada and return once radiation is gone.

That was sarcasm, just in case.

I don't think you are alone when you think the Supreme Court and taking over the Parliament to be too ambitious. Any devouted Islamist thinks just the same. It shouldn't be hard to discover any lesser plans though, there aren't that many Imams and Muslim organizations to keep track of in Canada.

I added secular and neighbor in the end because whatever Islamists do, they can be stopped, countered, or favoured. The Premier in question didn't favoured Islam. What happens the next time a decision has to be made or a policy discussed or implemented, will depend as much on Canadian Muslims as on non-Muslims.

I have to say that the article does a fairly good job of hiding that under the carpet...

So what now, is this policy already in use or not, because the article clearly suggests it is.

AFAIK, there are already incentive for French-speaking immigrant to move to Quebec. I don't know if the provincial department of immigration has a policy to the effect, but Québec traditionally attracts French speaker because... Well, that's obvious.

Wether the policy would favor the immigration of Muslims, who, AFAIK, aren't in majority French speaking (I mean, there's Morroco, Senegal, Algeria and Tunisia, but otherwise, where do they speak French?), I don't know.

And if it's the party I'm thinking off, Skybird, it's only canadian by geography :lol:

According to the Stats Can website, there are 579,640 Muslims in Canada, or 2% of the population based upon the 2001 census. I don't know by what factor their numbers are increasing, but I do know that since we don't only import Muslims its not reasonable to conclude from a "doubling of their population", as Skybird doubtlessly does, that their proportion of the population will also double; in fact it may remain the same, or even decline. Immigration in Canada is not static and the number of immigrants from different groups varies from year to year.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo30b.htm

I read that, I was just too lazy to quote your post too...

The party mentioned by the article is actually a provincial party only. They do not campaign outside of Quebec, nor do they run in any federal elections.

The program they talk about is already real, they just mischaracterize it completely in order for it to comform to the usual hatred, intolerance, fear, and hysteria that is so rampant on their website. It just happens that in this case they've been caught lying as well.

I only post news articles here from reputable, mainstream sources because they are bound to the journalistic standards of ethics and independent verification, and are also rigorously fact checked by their editorial staff; sometimes they get it wrong anyway but at least the better papers make the effort. JW is a blog, and as such it is not governed by any standards of journalism; additionally, they have an obvious agenda to push and facts seem secondary to them to spin. Of course their readers like you share the same agenda so naturally you dismiss a mistake that formed premise of the article, and one that five minutes of fact checking could have caught - but what do you or JW care about facts? Its the spin that matters right.

No, this is not true. The article implies that in Quebec - and Quebec alone - the province determines who is and isn't allowed to immigrate there. This is wrong because Quebec has not that authority; it is wrong because the involvement in the process Quebec does have is not unique to the province of Quebec, several other provinces also have a similar say in their provinces immigration; and lastly it matters because the article uses this faulty premise as a basis to stir up resentment toward Quebec by going to great lengths to insinuate the "Jihadists" that Quebec can allow in are then free to roam Canada, when this piece of rubbish is already debunked by my first two points.

It doesn't seem that way to me Skybird. Refresh your browser and read what other people are saying about this.

Fair enough