Looks like you are as badly informed on history as you are about real overall military warfare performance ...
You always mix the real thing with myths ...
Real world is much different than what you dream about, dude.
But to know and understand that, you should stop watching foxTV, start reading serious stuff, ... and using your brain.

*shudders*
Errr...:shifty: . This is simplistic thinking to say the least. Probability of being on top? :nope:

And you should stop getting personal and get a life. :up: By the way, apart from Clancy, my other favourite author is Dostoevsky...you wouldn't consider that serious stuff? :hmm: Actually, I've read lots of classics, from Thomas Moore, to Cervantes. So don't patronise me... :stare:

And how ignorant are you to say the Spartans were a "myth"? The Spartans were real, maybe you should read up on them. They were the ultimate warring tribe/society. Babies born with a defect or on the small side were dumped on a hillside, discarded from society. Only the strongest males would become Spartan warriors, that's why they were so formidable. And it's not Troy you know, which is pretty much a myth. The Spartans are part of documented history.

Now...you. STOP GETTING PERSONAL...FFS. GROW UP! Attack the subject not the person.

...learn some manners. :stare:

from Wikipedia:

Some myth...:roll:

Just reading along here, but may I ask a question?

Are you saying that only a person with hands-on tactical knowledge of a particular subject (ie undersea warfare) can understand it?
Might there be noted authors, scientists and analysts that would disagree with you?
A few examples easily found online:
Ronald O'Rourke, Congressional Research Service testified multiple times for Congress, recently about CVN-21 FY2006
Lincoln P Bloomfied, Center For Strategic and International Studies Naval War College Library, "Us Overseas Presence in the 21st Century
J Michael Gilmore, Assistant Director for National Security, testified multiple times for Ciongress, recently in regards to the DDX program, FY2005
Henry M Kissinger, Secretary of State, 1973-1977, respected authorority on nuclear forces.
Note that none of these individuals have ever served in the military.

While having an understanding of the "nuts and bolts" about day to day operations on a sub is nice, it in no way impacts an individual's ability to comprehend the intricacies of undersea warfare. When discussing strategic level concepts, or even theater-level tactical ones, having the knowledge of what color the upholstry is on the seats of a sub, airplane, or tank becomes rather meaningless.

I respect your obvious knowledge and expertise, but I believe that wether or not an individual has actually served on a submarine is not an indicator of his ability to understand undersea warfare.

I probably oversimplified it, but it is better than a model that says "effort always brings results". One thing I neglected to mention is that when you have a huge research budget, you are more inclined to play around with expensive, uncertain ideas while people with less money tend to stay on firmer ground. That gives them a chance of getting out ahead.

I'll give you another example then.

Baseball: The Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Mets etc...all have a better chance at winning the World Series, then say the Royals, Pirates, Padres or Marlins. The difference? The first groups spend enourmous amounts of money on player wages compared to the second. So yes, every now and then you will get a team like the Marlins winning the World Series, but throughout history the big teams nearly always win. Yankees don't have 26 titles for nothing.

This example can be applied to every sport and in fact to basically just about everything. :up:

typical from a yank i cant believe anyone has better sonar that us well you keep thinking that way and you will keep gettting surprised its like that crazy notion you once had saying terroism would never affect main land usa and we all know where that led


and dont say i dont know what im talking about im a serving royal navy submariner

tactical system's supervisor radar and electronic warfare supervisor and a weapons guider also do a bit of navigation aswell talk about multi tasking(unfortunatley typing wasnt one of those skills i learned)

I'm from blighty...:lol:

For you then: Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea all have a better chance at winning the Premier League then say Bolton, Charlton Athletic, Millwall and Fulham. The differnce? The first group spend enourmous amounts of money on player wages compared to the second. So yes, every now and then you will get a team like Leeds winning the Premier League, but throughout history the big teams nearly always win.

OK, now imagine if Arsenal (my soccer knowledge is so poor that Arsenal and Manchester United is about all I know) tries to pay for 10 times more players than anyone else (thus ensuring the average wage is 1/10th). Think that might allow someone with less money to get ahead? That's the American research effort (diverse and dispersed).

im afrqid you over simplify the equation theres more to it than money although that duz help im certain the russians had far less cash at the beguining of the space race yet they leaped ahead on several occasions

What, strapping a dog to a rocket...? Nasa came about BECAUSE the Russians were ahead in the space race. And that's a perfect example...NASA (multi-billion dollar space agency) v the Soviet space program (cash strapped, unprofessional, vodka swigging adventurers. On one hand, man on the moon and a re-useable space vehicle - on the other: junk space stations falling to earth and dogs in space.

:D

thats if you believe they did land on the moon ? and what did spending billions get the space shuttle into dissater as i say i takes more than just money

YOU are so ignorant, you don't even know my signature came from
hahaha.
It's about the spartans sacrifice at Thermopylae ...
but this wasn't 200 spartans killing 30.000 persians of the Xerxes army ...
THIS is a myth for young boys :know:

Even if each spartans killed around 20 persians (that give you around 10 time less persians killed than waht you are talking about ..), the MAIN effect wasn't in the Xerxers army attrition BUT in the psychological effect.
But this is not the subject, just another correction to your comments.

Man, your agressivity won't hide your terrible lack of knowledge, neither in military hardware stuff than about history.

You want to speak about the subject ? but you know A THING about this subject ... ?
You probably think french sonars and radars are just old WWII stuff ... :lol:

But If I tell you the only radar on this earth, able to pick up a B2 at long distance (thousand kilometer) with kilometric band, is french, will you believe it ?
If I tell you the most modern embarqued radar on a plane is the latest one of the Rafale, able to track simultaneously multiple air contact, to engage differents ground targets and to autopilot the plane at less than 150 feet over the ground, everything together, will you believe it ? (lets say the latest FA18E/F is quite close to this capabilities)

No you won't, because you don't know A thing out of your dream ...
But what do we have to care about your lack of knowledge, really ?
Some americans (of course not all of them, each peoples have his black sheep, french also of course) thinks american are in gold and rest of the world are just retarded in every matter.
It's a great thing for us, french ->
Last red flag, US F16 didn't even knew when they was fired at by M2000, just because their RWR were not waked up by M2000 radars in Track While Search mode.
Result was 1 M2000 shooted for around 10 F16
I remember the face of the US commander, desembarking from his F16 after near all of his wing was shooted down ... (I saw a private pilot video)
This was 6 or 7 years ago, from that time, french are no more invited to red flags :lol:
And this happend with our older Mirage 2000, not with the more modern Rafale.

The fact some US consider french hardware as "to exotic" to even try to complete their knowlege about it, is a great thing for us.
Because it allow us to have more modern hardware in some areas.

Of course, france will never even approach the US fire power : we are 5 time less people than US, and we spend 3 to 4 times less in defense than US per inhabitant. (french gvnt always had prefered to spend money into social thing, and for free and the world best medicine for all, than to show the size of his balls, spending the money in military warfare when 60 millions peoples are homeless in USA)
But we concentrate on the quality and the autonomy of our war hardware.
As for the Leclerc, the best MBT ever product (... because it's the most recent one also)

see by yourself with some videos =>
http://okofree.free.fr/Vids/Leclerc/
No way an old (even modernised M2A2) Abrams could do that ;)

So, to conclude, it's always amusing me when I read some of the US typical comments about the "unbeatable US technology in every matter", because it always come from quite naive and very bad informed people.

What I could read from you from the day you are on this board, always let me think you are one of these people.

So ... have a good dream, dude ...
But please ... don't talk about a subject you are not informed about, remember it kills your credibility.
Thank you.

In English please... :up:

I think Kurushio should get an award for trolling. Just when I think this thread is ready to be given up on you get:

Genius! Pass the popcorn! I guarantee it'll get the reaction he's looking for.

I love threads like this one, good questions and finally: "who got the bigger":-? it s always the same in every forum. People are not like technology , they didn't improve.

I'm not trolling. Just not bothered deciphering the mad ramblins of an angry Frenchman. :roll:

This doesn't make sense by any stretch of the imagination:

So genius, either translate or shutup. ;)

so true !

so stay away from forums and ride your ship, it s a far better way to spend time imo ;)

He means that the Radar Warning Receiver on the F-16 couldn't detect the radar emissions of the Mirage 2000 when the Mirage's radar was in Track While Scan mode.