Why should I pay for a Med Add-on when Grandmas Tonnage Mod works and looks ten times better?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I was posting over at SimHQ and got one of the X1 lackys to spill where he got the mods. As you can see they had already rifled through the free mods to pick out what they wanted to pass off as their own.......again.

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ok, mate, obviously you have a bee in the bonnet. But I'll try and respond fairly.

Expanded radio log messages for 1941-1943

We are not using the free mod and have built our own.

Reduced effects of fatigue for the crew

We made our own

New interior graphics for all U-boats

Used by permission

Uniform enhancements

made our own

Hi resolution skins on the Type VII and Type IXD, including camoflage options

We were going to ask permission but didn't like the ones available so we made our own. We have four choices for Type VIIB and VIIC

Hi resolution harbors

Took them out because of frame rate concerns.

New skins on many warships

Many, many hours spent building our own. We have three times the skins of any mod out there.

Reworked and improved sounds

Every single sound has been edited, many new sounds.

New smoke and particle effects

Many hours building our own effects.

An improved damage model for U-boats

I confess I don't know what is out there, but we made our own anyway.

Reduced sonar accuracy, realistic limits for destroyers

Used by permission, then we added some details of our own.

Reduced night vision acuity for all enemies

Didn't like what was out there, we made our own.

Improved surface detection range out to 10km.

I believe the mods available were 8 or 16, we made our own at 10km.

Did I mention 45 new ships? But I guess this mod is out there too right?

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You can read the whole thread here.

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimat...f=129&t=001547

Being that I am beta testing the Med add on, that does sound about right to me.
One thing I really like a lot is when you are hitting a ship with the deck gun you see constant effects from the hits. I have seen so many secondary explosions and fires the ship was engulfed and I thought it was sunk but actually was not.
There are many nice things in this and with SH4 at least a year and a half away many with ill feelings will miss even trying this while others will buy it and not say anything, IMO.

Wulfmann

Eh?

That argument makes little sense.

CP and his tool are making a quick buck with a lesser quality product, shrouded in lies, at the expense of the purchaser. I hardly see how that services my interest as a modder or the community's interest in any fashion. Ripping off people services no one but the scammer.

Look at it another way. The scammed person is now out 20 Euros, which could've been spent on something else, helping pay the wages of actual hard working people.

Are you saying somewhere, someone who lost his job should be totally cool with the fact that a scammer took away his job?

Anyway.

I think Wulframm meant that it services the interest of Ubisoft to sell more copies of SH3 out there to the general public.

Wulframm??? Is that a little Brokeback Uboatin joke??? :rotfl:

I mean the more help we get in selling a few more copies that gave UBI the idea to go ahead with SH4 is a benefit to all of us.

The fact some still relive the same old tired arguments that when challenged showed no wrong doing and the fact the next package is full of all new stuff (I know this for a fact) still gets the die hard we would rather our community dies than see them succeed pathetic attitude.
The only thing I read that could be questioned was Serg asking if his ships were in this next install. To be sure I asked that the naming of new ships not use the names Serg had used for his (also because I wanted to use his ships in my SH3 as well as their ships) and they promptly renamed them.
But, seeing that I am beta testing the Med project and none of you are; you (J885) still seem to suggest you know more of what is in it than I do.
Your next statement should read something like:
“Who are you going to believe Wulfmann? Me or your lying eyes!!�
I believe what I see and know is true. You go on and continue to make false accusations and then be annoyed when this sells very very well of which I can assure you it will.
It will sell on its merits as a worthwhile add on. Mark my words.
Wulfmann

In a roundabout way, you can claim that, but it's a false assumption.

No one's going to buy SH3 because they've already bought some kind of SeaWolves mod. So, it doesn't actually serve anyone but the scammer.

I only suggested -- as anyone can go back and read -- that your assertion that somehow UBI will produce a SH4 due to number of copies of SeaWolves sold is obviously false.

Eh?

I don't know or need to know anything about the scammer operation.

What's clear is your blind support of X1 makes you someone I disagree with. :nope:

<We don't resort to name calling here. JCC>

Wulfmann wrote:
:rotfl:

I have never heard that saying before but i like it.

..... want some humor come to subsim. :D

J885? Blind????

I actually have the beta now. How are you so sure that what I see is not there? You are telling me that what I see and experience does not exist.
Interesting that in complete ignorance you live with such bliss.

You, once again, skillfully twist words and divert the subject. I do admire that, Goebels would be proud.

All I said was that anything that generates interest in SH3 helps the community.
The sold out sales figures of the first Seawolves suggest it is far from an unwanted product.
You insist that it is impossible for someone to see this and then want SH3 (likely they had not seen that yet?)
While I had nothing to do with that original in any way, I, like most here, had no reason to consider it as what was produced my the mod community better suited my taste.
But, the next one, in Beta called Seawolves Mediterranean (Will not be its released name), is 20-30 more than the first.
45 new ships and countng!
I know this because I have it and it is not close to being done with adding many new things.
These many things that I have in front of me you still insist do not exist.
When this is released we shall see if you will be man enough to comment.
I predict it will sell out quickly.
Let us see who is right on game day!

Wulfmann

Wait a minute, there's going to be another one? How much is that going to cost? I am still not understanding how a company that isn't UBIsoft is allowed to profit on mods that require the original game's engine to funtion in the first place? Does this company have the SDK for the original game and make brand new content or are they just charging people for some simple tweaks and edits to the original game that most of the regulars here at subsim.com already know how to do and do it for free for the community?

For the original mod they both stold mods from the community and implemented some of their own poor mods.

I have no knowledge of the current mod Woofy is aroused over other than it's by the same people that scammed the community the first time.

Apparently Wolfy isn't familiar with 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...'

:up:

Whine?

Good for you, working with scammers in exchange for a free copy of the result. Aren't you a good little tool, eh?

Hardly. You feel scammers stealing from the community to make a buck somehow further's goals other than the spammers.

I disagree.

You try to play X1 up as being noble because you claim they're igniting or rekindling interest in any existing product and thus should be lauded as heros.

Funny, that. You're a shill, nothing more.

Then we disagree. I don't believe people being ripped off helps the community or the person being ripped off.

Show me the money baby.

I declare it as unlikely. Since no scientific poll with ever be conducted and I'll never see this record sell out data you claim exists for SeaWolves, it's a moot point.

You're putting words in others' mouths, eh?

No reason to consider it a fraud except extensive evidence indicating such was the case, disputed only by you.

Indeed.

What things? I never claimed a new expansion wasn't being worked on, only that the original SeaWolves was a fraud and you continue to insist on defending it by stating that anything that increases interest in SH3 is good. Meanwhile, you can't prove SeaWolves either,

a) Increased interest in SH3 outside those already familiar with the product
b) Wasn't a repackage of stolen community mods

Until you can do either of the former, seriously, shut up.

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Guys, please discuss like normal people and drop the hostile tone! If this goes on like this I´ll lock the thread.

Sub serpent.
Seawolves is the only UBI authorized mod for SH3. That is correct. UBI has given them and only them the legal right to offer an add-on to SH3.
The fact they do not care that others make there own mods and share them is great for us all.
But, they have authorized Seawolves. They have permission from UBI to alter copyrighted files. No one else does.
While Jason cries like a school girl making false statements never proven by anyone other than the choir when facts were disallowed the first add on sold out. He is in denial but when I go to the sites offering it, always the same; sold out.
While I had nothing to do with the first one and only advise on historical matters in the next one and run the game and report results I can tell you it is filled with new ships, effects, campaigns, missions etc etc etc and they are all new stuff built for it.
Those here that believe we represent the 100,000 people that have bought SH3 please post the figures for number of members and threads. That will prove me wrong.
Or, just keep making false statements like Jason and trash anyone that has a different view. That only indicates a weak argument which is all Jason seems to want.

G, wouldn’t blame you. Discussion about this add on to SH3 would seem like a part of what the community would want, whether one likes it or not. But, perhaps we should have an “Ask Jason first� sticky, so we know what is considered proper party line discussion.
We can call it: Heil Jason!
Wulfmann

OK, different Jason here. It seems evident that the first seawolves mod did rip-off the mod community. Nobody disputes that. What seems to be getting confused in this discussion is that the next upcoming Sea Wolves Mediteranean mod is also ripping off the mod community. I don't see how that can be proved at least until it hits the shelves and we can examine its contents ourselves (as I have stated before). Wulfmann (sorry, not Wulframm! :oops:) says they have learned their lesson, and this next Med mod will not rip-off the mod community, and it will in fact use mods that they themselves create (the proof will be in the pudding). Since he is the only one here that has seen it, any other argument seems to me to be pure speculation.

And its good for Ubisoft to have the mod community do their thing, and let official expansion packs do their thing from Ubi's perspective. Whatever adds playability or "usability" to the product from their perspective adds more sales figures for them, no matter what anybody says; this is an absolute truth to any sales and marketting plan of any product. No need for a scientific study, just ask any marketting executive of any product or any promotions team of any company.

Maybe you should lock it and lock every other thread started that deals with the subject.

They never bode well..and always turn into an argument anyway.

Besides the subject is getting tiresome.

This is a case closing statement from Sergbuto as far as I am concerned. It also explains to me why it seems Sergbuto seems to be a little bit reticent to share exactly how he does some of his modifications with the community here... He's been burned before and who can you trust?

X1=Thieves... a blind and deaf man could figure this out. Whether they have "the rights" to do so or not... what they are doing is unethical and sleazy.

BTW... JasonB885 it is GREAT to see you back at subsim man. :up: :up: :up:

Moderators, I vote you lock this thread. It gives the wrong sort more audience and consideration than they deserve.

45 new ships?

Would you please post a list of these 45 new ships you speak of?

You still side stepped my question. It was - Does X1 own a copy of the SDK for Silent Hunter III? Did UBIsoft give them a working copy of the SDK for Silent Hunter III? If not I don't see why anyone would buy an add-on for this game that doesn'y really add on anything new except tweaks, hacks, and modifications to what is already there and what is already being down here for FREE! If the uodates to the game are completely new content that was created with the official SDK for the SHIII from UBIsoft then I would most eagerly want to buy it. However, claiming that the game has ALL NEW content but is really just skin paint jobs and edits to the .dat files and .ini files and .cfg files isn't and doesn't really show any NEW content. NEW means NEW! And that is only achieved by the people who created something from the ground up, not from people who modify someone elses work. For instance, I can't copy words from the book 'Pet Cemetary" by Stephen King and mixed them all around and make a version of it another way and call it a "NEW" work of art. That is illegal, it's called plagerism.

I believe, Not sure, they are listed at the Combat Planes site.
Since many are converted like others do some are similar to what has been done but original conversions and most are never before done conversions.
But, now they are doing ground up new ships and I am not at liberty to say which.
When Jason was formulating Improved Convoys I suggested he add the early sloops as escorts since they were the main escorts for convoys in 39 and early 40.
I had added the names of those classes to the Black Swan (It’s a sloop but the devs called it a Frigate) and even posted what I did so Jason could use it.
I say this because I want to preempt any suggestion that the new Seawolves stole from Jason what I gave him. Seawolves, however, have made 3 very nice Sloops from the one Black Swan model to make 4 in all.
So, “I� suggested they make the sloops and they never saw Jason’s convoys and had no idea until I pointed this out.
Besides new variations in British cruisers and battleships there are two Italian cruisers, new US DDs and British, Russian even a Turkish and Spanish DD (I am not sure why, LOL) and new merchant ships.
I addressed the Serg cargo ships and the names being changed by request to eliminate any confusion but some simply ignore explanations that do not allow their witch hunt mentality.

Wulfmann

Here is one of the Italian cruisers and one of the sloops

[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...alian-CL-1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...nn/Sloop-3.jpg[/img]