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Hitman 11-17-05 09:52 AM

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Skybird wrote:
The always-victim-never-guilty-story again.

Never? No. This case? Yes.
Israelians and Palestinians are, above all, just humans fighting for a piece of land. Nobody can claim to be agressor/victim, there are good & evil men in both sides, and also unfortunately people whose power and influence would diminish to nothing if a peace happened. The main injustice in this all is the conflict itself going on, it is not a matter of winning or loosing it, both sides are loosing equally.

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The Avon Lady 11-17-05 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
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Skybird wrote:
The always-victim-never-guilty-story again.

Never? No. This case? Yes.
Israelians and Palestinians are, above all, just humans fighting for a piece of land. Nobody can claim to be agressor/victim, there are good & evil men in both sides, and also unfortunately people whose power and influence would diminish to nothing if a peace happened. The main injustice in this all is the conflict itself going on, it is not a matter of winning or loosing it, both sides are loosing equally.

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More gibberish.

The PLO's, Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's charters have never stopped calling for the outright destruction of Israel.

More European "equivalency" rubbish. :down:

jumpy 11-17-05 10:01 AM

I think it's clear from this (and other threads) that Avon Lady has some rather strongly oppinionated views on the whole subject...

Hitman 11-17-05 10:52 AM

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The PLO's, Hamas' and Islamic Jihad's charters have never stopped calling for the outright destruction of Israel.
That's because from their point of view Isarel invaded their land and threw out the legitimate owners. Wether they are right or not in that is another matter....I just pointed out that each side thinks he is right. :know:

11-18-05 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
That's because from their point of view Isarel invaded their land and threw out the legitimate owners. Wether they are right or not in that is another matter....I just pointed out that each side thinks he is right. :know:

The roots of this conflict is so old... In case of terrorist organisations - afaik - it were Jews who created such battlegroups first: Hashomer, Hagana, Irgun Zvai Leumi. It's 1905-1938. The first such Palestinian group is Qassam brigades - around 1935.
In 1947, UN divided Palestina into Jews' and Palestinians' parts. Jerusalem and surroundings supposed to be neutral land. No precise borders were set, no forces were dispatched to enforce this decision. Neither Jews, nor Palestinians were glad. Followed the "Non-declared war"...

The Avon Lady 11-19-05 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Negr
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Originally Posted by Hitman
That's because from their point of view Isarel invaded their land and threw out the legitimate owners. Wether they are right or not in that is another matter....I just pointed out that each side thinks he is right. :know:

The roots of this conflict is so old... In case of terrorist organisations - afaik - it were Jews who created such battlegroups first: Hashomer, Hagana, Irgun Zvai Leumi. It's 1905-1938. The first such Palestinian group is Qassam brigades - around 1935.
In 1947, UN divided Palestina into Jews' and Palestinians' parts. Jerusalem and surroundings supposed to be neutral land. No precise borders were set, no forces were dispatched to enforce this decision. Neither Jews, nor Palestinians were glad. Followed the "Non-declared war"...

Our Russian revisionist is at it again. Check your dates. Check your facts. Let me help you:

Myths & Facts - The Mandatory Period.

Hashomer. The word "HaShomer" means the "Watchman" or "guard". What did they have to watch out and guard from? Hmmmm........................ :hmm:

Haganah. Here, too, the word "Haganah" means defense. What did they need to defend themselves from? Hmmm..................... :hmm:

Arabs organizing against Jews in 1935? You're off by a few critical years: Arab Riots of the 1920’s.

Did you learn about the Middle East from weekly installments in Pravda's Sunday Magazine perhaps?

One last link - lots of old B&W pictures:

Tell The Children The Truth.


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