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Buddahaid 06-01-20 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece (Post 2674569)
What sad days, I think most of these people are using the death of George Floyd as an excuse for rioting! :nope:

You got it right on that account. I'd bet many of the looters don't even know his name.

MaDef 06-01-20 11:47 PM

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What sad days, I think most of these people are using the death of George Floyd as an excuse for rioting!
Not excusing the rioters, but the state governments have some culpability for imposing their "lockdowns" for the last 2 months. people are frustrated and the killing of Floyd was the proverbial "straw that broke the camels back"

Reece 06-02-20 12:45 AM

Yes I think it's a bit of both, adding up to one word - Frustration!! :hmmm:

Catfish 06-02-20 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2674504)
I was looking around for something beside the usual political mud slinging. Apparently there is a psychology to rioting and with todays access to instant media and communication it can spread like wildfire. On a side note, I never knew there were 2011 riots in England. :hmmm:

" [...] we have now found is that the rioters used their views of the police to define themselves collectively. Their sense of identity was key. Knowing and seeing others feeling the same way, across various locations, made the rioters feel that they were not alone, and emboldened them to riot too. [...]"

Link to the whole text Rockstar quoted is here:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...4&postcount=67
Worth reading.

Col7777 06-02-20 05:18 AM

With reference to the 2011 riots in the UK, it spread like wild fire across the country.
Very similar to what is happening now in the US, a single incident in London and the (Protests) riots started all over and like mentioned in above posts, they weren't about the incident but an excuse to rob and cause chaos and a lot of damage.
If you were to stop and ask what they were rioting about most of them wouldn't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots


Col.

Skybird 06-02-20 05:50 AM

White supremacists pose as Antifa:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/02/t...unt/index.html

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A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account. "This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."

Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

The revelation of the account comes as President Donald Trump increasingly blames left-wing activists for violence occurring at protests across America.

On Sunday, Trump tweeted he would designate Antifa a terrorist organization, despite the US government having no existing legal authority to do so.

u crank 06-02-20 06:21 AM

The very idea that the violent far left anarchist group Antifa needs any encouragement to behave the way they do is laughable. The very obvious (to those who are looking) behaviour of this anti Fascist group is to behave like Fascists. Try to explain that.

Skybird 06-02-20 06:24 AM

An opinion piece from Der Tagesspiegel. I agree.


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It's true: Racism in the United States has not existed just since George Floyd was brutally killed by four white police officers in Minneapolis. It is open and hidden, systemic. If you want to see it, you see it. If you don't want to see it, you won't see it.

When George Floyd died, others died. Blacks in the US who develop Covid-19 are 2.4 times more likely to die of infection than whites and 2.2 times more likely than Asians and Latinos. Around 450 people have died of the coronavirus in Washington D.C., the country's capital. Eighty percent of them are black, but they make up just under 50 percent of the population.

Donald Trump also became President of the United States because his propaganda against Barack Obama's healthcare reform, the Affordable Care Act, caught on to white voters. Many of them opposed the taxpayers' money being used to improve the health care of blacks and Latinos.

Racial motives were mixed in from the start with the anger over the health reform. Taking the privileged white majority society into a community of solidarity with all Americans has been rejected as presumptuous.

Now Trump is reaping what he did not sow but fertilized well. The racism that once brought him into office should now ensure his re-election. Nothing else remains for him, no other card stands out. The recession and mass unemployment caused by the corona pandemic have drastically narrowed his range of topics. The result is bitter.

You can see a president walking the short walk from the White House to the opposite “St. John’s Episcopal Church ”released with tear gas. There he holds up a Bible and says: "We are the greatest country in the world." There is a president who threatens to "use the military and solve the problem quickly".

A president can be seen who does not say a word about racism, but swarms to his heart's content about "local terrorists", "criminals" and an "Antifa", which he wants to classify as a terrorist organization.

It is no coincidence that this president repeatedly mentions the second constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to possess weapons. Because that inspires some of his followers to use their methods to ensure law and order. It is no coincidence that this president uses every opportunity for polarization. He is waiting that there is looting so as not to have to talk about the causes of the nationwide rebellion.

Trumpet racism and his phobia of a "deep state" whose representatives want to overthrow him - the FBI, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the media - are condensing like a burning glass these days. Apparently he projects his own guilty conscience onto his opponents' motives. Trump lives in a mad world from which he can no longer find out. He no longer turns his heart into a killer pit, but heart and pit have long since become one.

Almost three years ago, on July 4, 2017, just in time for the national holiday on which America celebrates its independence, the NPR broadcaster decided to try something new. The declaration of independence had been read on the radio for decades on this day. Now it should be spread in 112 tweets via Twitter.

What followed was an uprising by Trump loyalists who hadn't recognized the quotes. NPR had a mission, called for revolution, spread fake news and propaganda, it was said indignantly, some speculated that NPR's Twitter account had been hacked.

The United States Declaration of Independence is an outstanding document of political philosophy and a foundation of human rights teaching. The preamble states that all people are created equal and have inalienable rights. This included life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness.

A right of resistance is also formulated. If a form of government "becomes pernicious to these end purposes", be it "the right of the people to change or abolish them and to establish a new government". And further: If unlimited rule is to be established, it is the right of the people, "yes their duty", to overthrow such a government.

The sometimes angry reactions to the NPR tweets are revealing. They testify to a deep-seated fear - of overthrow, rebellion, resistance. That fear could be justified in the declaration of independence reinforces this fear.

Racism in the United States has not existed since Trump and not since George Floyd's death. But Trump's racism is compounding the problem. His calculation of being able to profile himself as a firefighter in a fire that he helped launch is sheer cynicism.

According to CNN, Trump is said to have barricaded himself in the White House bunker in recent days. If so, it would be the picture of his presidency in just one picture.


https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/.../25879720.html




u crank 06-02-20 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2674612)

According to CNN, Trump is said to have barricaded himself in the White House bunker in recent days. If so, it would be the picture of his presidency in one picture.

Another falsehood from CNN. President Trump and his family were taken to this secure bunker by Secret Service agents for a brief time with protesters clashing with police near the White House.

Bilge_Rat 06-02-20 06:43 AM

I love how everyone is trying to politicize this by arguing whether the violence is being done by far left or far right groups.

Who cares???

Both groups use the same tactics and they are all criminals in my view.

Skybird 06-02-20 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2674616)
Another falsehood from CNN. President Trump and his family were taken to this secure bunker by Secret Service agents for a brief time with protesters clashing with police near the White House.

Says who? Fox?


I think these details matter as much as the question whether masked Tea Party activists showed automatic rifles or semi-automatic rifles when they stormed into the capitol halls of three states. It is irrelevance blown up in proportion for the purpose of distracting.



Nothing will ever change for the better as long as people do not learn to focus on the things that really matter. TV stations dueling with each other, and weapon mechanisms, are not what it is about.

Dowly 06-02-20 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2674619)
I love how everyone is trying to politicize this by arguing whether the violence is being done by far left or far right groups.

Who cares???

Both groups use the same tactics and they are all criminals in my view.

100% agreed. Seems like too much is being concentrated on the looting and violence and whose instigating it instead of what actually sparked this whole thing.


The heavy handed approach by the law enforcement isn't helping. Even if (when) the protests/riots are squashed, the underlying unhappiness within the populace remains and will just flare up again with the next spark.

u crank 06-02-20 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2674621)
Says who? Fox?

Really?

There are lots of sources but I'll use the one you trust.

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As protesters gathered outside the White House Friday night in Washington, DC, President Donald Trump was briefly taken to the underground bunker for a period of time, according to a White House official and a law enforcement source.

The President was there for a little under an hour before being brought upstairs.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

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The decision to physically move the President came as protesters confronted Secret Service officers outside the White House for hours on Friday -- shouting, throwing water bottles and other objects at the line of officers, and attempting to break through the metal barriers.
At times, the crowd would remove the metal barriers and begin pushing up against the officers and their riot shields. The Secret Service continually replaced the barriers throughout the night as protesters wrestled them away.

Platapus 06-02-20 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2674619)
I love how everyone is trying to politicize this by arguing whether the violence is being done by far left or far right groups.

Who cares???

Both groups use the same tactics and they are all criminals in my view.




Because that is what our country has devolved to.

Mr Quatro 06-02-20 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2674662)
Really?

There are lots of sources but I'll use the one you trust.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

The SS also thought a bomb might be involved :yep:

Onkel Neal 06-02-20 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2674553)
That remained unused too. As opposed to Antifa leftists throwing bricks and molotov cocktails, burning down buildings, attacking people for being white etc.

"You don't need guns, the government will protect you", say the liberals in charge of the rioting cities.

As long as these kind of disturbances remain in the big cities, all will be well. If someone thinks about exporting this nonsense to the countryside, it's gonna be a bad day for rioters, left or right.

Mr Quatro 06-02-20 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2674679)
"You don't need guns, the government will protect you", say the liberals in charge of the rioting cities.

As long as these kind of disturbances remain in the big cities, all will be well. If someone thinks about exporting this nonsense to the countryside, it's gonna be a bad day for rioters, left or right.

I wonder what the scales of balance would be on how many guns the left has vs how many the right has?

I only have one gun, perhaps I need more for hunting of course wink wink :arrgh!:

Onkel Neal 06-02-20 09:55 AM

The true lefties have been saying for decades no one needs or should have firearms. Now, knowing that a core principle of a liberal is hypocrisy, I am betting they will decide to arm up in the coming years. :arrgh!:

Mr Quatro 06-02-20 10:04 AM

There's a new movie coming out this year that was made last year about a whole city going wild on shooting each other. I couldn't find it, but I did find this: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...ncite-violence

Bricks Found at Protest Sites Suggest Orchestrated Campaign to Incite Violence

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Violent protests, looting, and rioting have been taking place in cities throughout the country for days following the death of George Floyd at the hands of police, as mounting evidence continues to indicate that these so-called protests are not organically grown, but are being orchestrated by dangerous and well-funded groups such as Antifa and Black Lives Matter. In areas of civil unrest, pallets of bricks have reportedly been placed, presumably to be used as weapons of destruction by looters when the sun goes down.
A tweet by the Kansas City Police confirmed as much on Sunday:

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We have learned of & discovered stashes of bricks and rocks in & around the Plaza and Westport to be used during a riot. If you see anything like this, you can text 911 and let us know so we can remove them. This keeps everyone safe and allows your voice to continue to be heard.

mapuc 06-02-20 11:00 AM

(how many types of browsers are there ?)

Please tell me I have missunderstod what I read and heard on CNN around 16 hours back.

Trump removed peaceful demonstration with gas and rubber bullets, so he could take some picture in front of some church.

Was this demonstration peaceful ?
Was they removed so Trump could get his picture in front of this Church ?

Markus


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