This video does not change my mind one bit. Videos can be artifically created (Hollywood does it all the time), and people can be paid or blackmailed to or intimidated to pretend to somebody in the knowledge. They even can truly believe that what they say is true, and the can describe something they cannot explain as best as they can.


None of this is evidence for or against anything.



Methodologically, all this doe snot een rate as a theory, because a theory must meet certain criteria to eb acutally qualfied as beign labelled a "theory". For exmaple, you must be able to test it. If a test is not possible, it is no theory but a hypothesis - or speculation.



I stick to it: that the phenomneneon of an existing and fed ubnterest in these thignsd exist, annot be denied, it is real. But what the phenomenon in our inerpretations si showing us - that is something totally different.



A Fata Morgana is real, it is a oyhsical ohenomenbeon of lightbeams beign reflected on distant heat layers of air. It is a real phenomenon. But what the phenomenon is apparently showing us, is not real, but unreal, is not what it looks like. Its not a real well. Its not a real city. Its not a real forest in the desert.



Its an insult to our intellect but - we do not know anything. On this.



So my advice: 1. be maximum open and 2. be maximum sceptical. You see something soembody shows you, you hear words somebody says, you read texts somebody has written. For the time being, I leave it to just these three facts. More I do not know about it.

UFOs exist. I saw a white light on the night sky, I couldn't identify it. It was an object and it flew. A few minutes later I could identify it. It was an airliner.

I don't see any evidence of ETs ever having visited this planet. However, statistically, the chance of us being alone in our Galaxy, let alone the Universe, is really, really small. In all likelihood, there are lifeforms elsewhere. The probability that these possible beings have detected our radio signals is next to zero. The radio bubble is really small compared to the size of our Galaxy. Then, there is also a reasonable chance that physics won't allow interstellar travel. Sci-fi doesn't work off camera. Then again, our best theories are the best of bad ideas.

In short: No evidence of flying saucers, too little chance of anyone visiting, I'm not spending any lengthy time pondering this.

There's two steps questions here.

1. Does UFO exist ? If the government/military is correct, then they do exist.

This lead to the second question

2. What are they and where are they coming from.

Even if I should believe in ufo(which I really don't) is not the same as believing in aliens.

Yes there's a connection between ufo and aliens-I just say it doesn't have to.

Markus

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you cannot even be certain that there was acutally any object flying. Th videos from the MFDs in fighterplanes showed a blip on a radar screen. Whether these blips actually represented somethign we could call an object, or were just blips, we will not know.

And the (claimed) pilots?

Are humans. Maybe getting orders. Maybe being bought and paid. Maybe being forced. Maybe are pilots. Maybe are stage actors. We do not know. Maybe they lied, maybe they said the truth. Maybe they said something wrong which they beleived was the truth.

Some time back in the late 80s I think there was a famous Harvard psychiatrist, John Mack. For some time I believed him when he wrote a book - in honest intention, I got the impression, I give him that - about people contacting him and telling him of their traumata due to their abductions by aliens. It ruined his reputation that he took it serious, but he stuck to it. Later I think some of these "witnesses" stepped forward, admitting that they were lying and mocking him, wanting to see how far they could get with their stories. Mack died already years ago. - Well, this one taught me a lesson. It really did. The lesson is: I do not know wether these "witnesses" lied to professor Mack - or lied later on when saying that they lied to him. At one of these opportunities they obviously lied at least once. Maybe they lied even at both occasions. But they did not say the truth on both occasions, right?

In the nineties there also was a video making the rounds, showing a claimed surgical autopsy of an alien, a so-called "Grey". Some years ago the makers admitted that it was a hoax, not too badly done, but they showed the puppet, the place, and they confirmed that the sceptics were right when criticising the video as a fake for the telephone cable shown in that film - and that was not used at the time the film was claimed to be shot in. The business man, Santilli was the name I think.

Always be open minded. But also: always be sceptical. Thats the spirit of science: both of it combined. Proof can only be supplied by evidence.

There is no evidence on UFOs. At least none the public is allowed to know of. Science cannot know everything. But its leads the way a scientist must follow. He shall not allow to stray off, or to get distracted. And he must accept the lacks in his knowledge, the limits of empiry. We do not know everything, since we cannot examine everything, and our technologies base on evolving knowledge that is always temporary, never will be complete, it cannot be. Religions claim they know it all, and they also claim they must not provide evidence. But science must, else it is no science. Beyond evidence, its unknown territory. Lets accept it as that: unknown territory. We can take motivation from it, motivation to explore it. But nevertheless, its unknown territory until its explored. And no belief and no believing changes that. To me its a sign of mature adulthood to acept it as "unknown" - instead of filling the void with fairy tales from childhood and taking them as comfortable and cozy facts. Facts must be proven, not just claimed.

^ Same with the people that have said to have visited heaven and or hell. Some have later recanted and said they lied in order to get attention, but that doesn't mean that heaven and hell is not real.

We have been visited by something that doesn't want us to know who they are and sooner or later they will make a big mistake.

What ever happen to those stories that a UFO crashed and then it was covered up. Now that the GOV is being open and honest would be a good time to confess.

But what the heck could we do anyway ... Zap them and prove how mean and angry humans really are? :o

I can see I made some mistake in my former comment

1. Does UFO exist ? If the government/military is correct, then they do exist.

This could be read as I believe in ufos which I really don't -I'm very, very sceptical.

Yes there's a connection between ufo and aliens-I just say it doesn't have to.

Could be read as I believe aliens is controlling these ufos

What I meant was

If ufo exist-Are alien involved ?

The day a ufo land on my lawn and the pilot ask if it can borrow my toilet-That day I'll believe in ufos

Markus

Jeez, I kept telling the guys to keep on the low side when moving around and now, this; man, there's gonna to be a hell of a lot of paperwork when I get back to the mothership... :(




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I look up at the sky quite a lot. It's my hobby. I've seen some really strange things that I cannot explain. Things like small, bright lights - moving at three or four times the speed of an airliner and then making a 90° turn instantly before disappearing.


I also believe there is a very real possibility that intelligent life exists somewhere other than on Earth. Or not.


But I don't necessarily believe those two things are connected. I've seen Earth's atmosphere do some really amazing and unexpected things to recognizable objects - both in the sky and on the water/land.


There is no shortage of mysteries in life. That's what makes it fun.

Well, alright, Starchild. Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip. And come on up to the Mothership! ;)

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"Ufo" just means unknown flying object. There may be a lot of them, just unidentified/unknown.

Regarding the billons of galaxies, each with an unknown but huge numbers of suns and orbiting planets it is almost impossible that there is no other life existing, by sheer statistics. This life will be a lot more strange than mankind can imagine, and whatever "they" are, they have an entirely different perception of anything. Add completely different senses, you get the idea.

There are (what mankind calls) the laws of physics, but those are 'physical laws' that are "changing" in the mind of mankind, every decade on this earth, by new ideas and new discoveries made (if you think of the discovery of quantum physics, the deep field view of the Hubble telescope, new particles and wave functions, the "god particle", and lots more).
There are other physical "laws" working diffferently depending on locations being closer or distant to galaxy cores or near huge mass objects, there are also more (what you call) 'dimensions' possible that evaporate the older the universe gets.

Those blips are either a fraud, or some new technology by anyone on earth (including the possibility of testing own US technology that mess up radar systems tested on own pilots), or they are indeed "visitors".

B.t.w. did anyone read Cixin Liu's novels, with the idea of non-living 'sophons' to test?

There must be intelligent life out there in the universe- With all these billions of suns and trillions of planets-the chance for planets with life on must be many.

How many is intelligent-ahead of us, is of course unknown.

Could they have solved some of the psychics needed to travel great distances in space ?? No one know.

Markus

The older I get the more I come to think that war is the father of all things and life means the fight for living.

Thats why I have given up to believe in friendly E.T. Maybe E.T. is friendly, maybe not. But I know that whenever a superior human civilazition slammed into an inferior, the going and outcome always was the same - and only one survived.

Most solar systems in our galaxy, more than 90% of them, are in regions of the galaxy that are much older than the region our solar system happens to be located in. If ET's people survived those many eons the other places are older than ours, than he had all this time to evolve and develope his skills and abilities and knoweldge. His means and abilities probably would appear as magic to us. We would be unconditionally at his mercy that he does not want to destroy us.

So why the hell are some of us wishing that we meet ET? Because most of us naturally think that it will be mankind setting the terms and conditions of such contact.

I absolutely doubt that. And that is reaosn for concerns and worries.

I tend to think we would be well advised to sit still and silent and put in our little corner of the universe and hope we remain undiscovered and unnoticed. We must not want to end like the Mayas or Indians.

An interesting view could Hollywood be correct in their interpretation of how the aliens are-in most cases evil.

I have the feeling though more advanced the aliens are though more civilians they are-if I follow the red line among the scientist. But even here there are scientist who say alien would be evil-They would conquer our planet.

If I followed the Hollywood line - The evilness will grow with their technology advancement. Even here there are aliens who are friendly.

I hope the day a ufo lands on my lawn, the pilot will be friendly and not BBQ me after it has used my toilet.

Markus

As wide spread as the galaxies and systems are from each other. It is a possibility that there is intelligent life out there but they won't be able to travel to visit or even communicate.

Am I evil when I trample on that tiny ant on the ground? No, honestly said I did not even notice it was there.

Am I evil when snipping dead that fly on my plate with food? No, I just do not want it putting germs on my food, or eggs.

Is that kid evil when it rips out the legs of a moth it caught? No, it does not know it better, it just is a kid.

By the time differences in age between different regions in our galaxy, 90% of aliens might be unimaginably further apart from us humans than we are biologically, evolutionary different from flies and ants. We maybe trail behind their evolutionary development status by dozens and hundreds of millions of years.

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This recalled an old thoughts.

How would aliens look like ? No they will not be little green men. They will look mostly like us-with smaller difference in how high or low their gravity is. Planet with high gravity would have aliens with thick bones and they will be shorter than us in average.

Planet with lower gravity would have aliens with smaller bones and they will higher than us in average(Maybe Basket is popular on these planets)

I ain't a scientist-so the statement above is my ideas on how aliens my look like.

Markus

One thing we shouldn't do is to assume evolution will take a recognisable path on another planet.

Just look at the diversity here on earth, and that diversity came from a very particular line of events, a line that has next to no chance of being repeated in all its details. Only the slightest difference eons ago would result in very different looking animals and plants. There is no reason to think dinosaurs existed anywhere else than on earth, there is no reason to think primates or primatoids would evolve on another planet.

What any ET might look like is well in the realm of the unknown. 2 legs? 4? 8? 24? Any legs at all? 2 eyes? 24? Who can possibly know? Would their evolution result in organs capable of picking up the same wavelengths as our eyes do? This is completely unknown.

Would they have DNA like we do, or would their evolution produce something we can't even begin to fathom with our earthbound imagination?

Once ET saw We had nuclear weapons in Space they searched for an emerging Intelligence.

Being the weapons are aimed at ourselves?
They determined there is no Intelligent species on Earth.

I just read that in an old SF story.

Anyway they do exist and I'm one of them so it's true....