[Sigh.]

While he entered the assembly hall with the monks, Huang-Po said: "The possession of many kinds of knowledge does not compare to giving up the search for them - that is the best of all things. There are no different kinds of mind, and there are no teachings that could be expressed in words. Since there is nothing to say, the assembly is hereby closed."

Said it, raised, and left.

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For somebody saying he transcended his ego, it nevertheless throws a long shadow on your life. ;)

If you are transcendent, then you would know that Chairman Mao tried your moneyless idea. It was called "The Great Leap Forward." China suffers to this day and millions, perhaps tens of millions were murdered by foreseeable consequences. Your "transcendent" wish would kill BILLIONS. There is no good in your transcendence, so therefore it is not a goal worth pursuing or a skill worth teaching. It is pure garbage. It is a dangerous psychosis, not wisdom.

What an arrogance to say that when you don't know anything about my life.

Dangerous psychosis, LOL. So, Maslow's transcendence is a psychosis, and the field of transpersonal psychology is studiying psychosis, LOL. You have a lot of fear, LOL.

Yes, it is so dangerous it made me unable to kill a bee today after knowing it is sentient and intelligent, LOL. Perhaps it is only dangerous to you. Back in 2009/10 I was tailed by an assassin in the Pluit area. A young man of Chinese descent (I suspect he was working for the Singapore's regime). His clothes were expensive looking and it was obvious that he lifted weights regularly. He was addicted to murdering people. He quickly veered to the left as soon as I turned my head towards him. A messed-up regime employing a messed-up man.
I don't know what would happen if I were not transcendent.

Obviously you don't understand transcendence. God is infinite potentiality being manifested in the finite: men, animals, the unseen, ET (though I haven't glimpsed an ET). How much of that infinite potentiality is realized in the finite is up to the individuals themselves.

So men may realize some degree of that infinite potentiality, the most notable is the potentiality of omnipresence and omniscience across space-time but it doesn't mean that those who do have infinite potential...

In a perfectly enlightened man perhaps there could be infinite omnipresence and omniscience (but then the omniscience is just another side of the same coin, it depends on information gained from the potentiality of omnipresence). In short, I haven't met a perfectly enlightened man with a fully realized infinite potentiality of God.

This transcendence or Self-remembrance is usually gained and lost right away. It may happen on a continual basis but it is transient. So, there is a limit to it due to the potentiality not being fully realized.

A moneyless society requires a world government. It cannot be applied to single countries. Otherwise, those countries would end up bartering with one another which is not a resource-based economy is.

Sorry dude, but I have seen and had many spiritually searching people like you - people who endlessly let their oh so spiritually aware ego babble about how ego-less they are, while the mere fact that they endlessly talk about their ego shows that their ego not only is not gone like they claim, but enjoys formidable health and size, and truly parties while setting up its show.

There is a name for this. False prophets. And they are legions. And since I see them doing real damage and leading people astray with all their intellectual super-dooper laserlight show and esoteric practicing, I am neither very patient nor forgiving in calling them out as what they are. I had to learn a lot from theory and practice just to learn that I must unlearn all this ballast - you mistake monitoring physiology with satori and and claim you could prove enlightenment in a laboratory. Sorry man - no way.

You fish for attention and applaus, that simple it is. And unfortunately, very many half-baken wannabe-messiahs, false prophets do like that. To the disadvantage of those who fall for them.

You know what the following is from, do you.

The One Essence that could be known,
Is not the Essence of the Unknowable.
The idea that could be imagined,
Is not the image of the Eternal.
Nameless is All-One, is inner essence.
Known by names is the All-Many, is outer form.
Resting without desires means to learn the infinite inside.
Acting with desires means to stay by the limited outside.
All-the-One and All-the-Many are of the same origin,
different only in appearance and in name.
What they have in common is the wonder of being.
The secret of this wonder
Is the gate to all understanding.

The name of God is unpronouncable, say the Jews - so now stop making a fool of yourself by endlessly mounting words on words on words about your transcendence. Your ego still casts shadows as dark and undeniable as things can cast shadows. And the brighter you set the light of your transcendence to burn, the more contrasting this shadow will appear on the floor.

There is nothing to gain and nothing to acchieve in enlightenment. Nothing changes when you have enlightenment. More to know is not needed.

Sorry for being maybe rudely open, but you really ask for it.

Many people like me huh? Yet you don't even know me but claimed to have known me? One ignorant statement after another. Did I bruise your ego?
I never claimed about being ego-less. In fact, I wrote that it is impossible to annihilate the ego except in dreamless sleep or deep meditation where one forgets one's ego and time.

Wasn't it you who mentioned about egoless spirituality?

No, I didn't know that poem. It's beautiful.

Sorry for being rudely open? You have from a long time ago near the beginning tof this thread and well before...Don't be sorry, you're not sorry. I'm just reflecting your attitude here. You are not sorry and I'm not sorry...Well, I'm sorry for you but I'm not sorry for whatever I wrote here. You have no respect for me and I don't have any respect for you. So, the feeling is mutual although I don't share your condescending attitude. I don't desire the respect of anyone I have no respect for. So, no sorry is ever needed.

Many people like you I have known who did the same thign like you: endlessly trying to cionvnce others how enlighted/satori-satisfied/transcended they are, ofteh in a bid to be accepted as kind of an authority on spiritual things - yes, many people I learnt like this, and you absolutely remind me of many of these. Some were students of mine, some where clients in other contexts, some were peope with whom i studied at university.

No? Its the very first part of the Tao Te King, reworded in my own (German) words. I have many German and English translations, and millions, literally, are available via the internet, I happened to not really have liked any of these from A to Z, some things all of them seem to do wrong here and there, so I did it again and did it up to my taste. Chinese cannot be easily translated lineraly like French into English. Its a very different thing. I had help by a sineologist, of course.

You were preaching, both on the economic argument, and on your transcendence thing. Sorry man, if somebody so stubbornly insists on himself being transcended, this is best evidence that he is not, and if he claims he can prove it under laboratory conditions, mistaking the monitoring of physiological variables with transcendence, this revelas a seriosu lack of understanding for the rules of scientifc work and interpretation, and experimental methodology.

For somebody claiming he transcended himself, you simply are too eager to make people believe you and applaude your deep insight and authority on things. I can assure you as a former psychologist: dont worry your ego, its strong and steaming with power. :) But ego and transcendence are mutually exclusive. ;) Because transcendence means much more than altering physiological variables under lab conditions, nor do these "prove" anything more than just what they are: a display of altering physiological variables, the rest is just subjective interpretation, hear-say, wishful thinking at times. Maslow btw had little illusions about this, he would not agree with some of the claims you have made in here. Thats why it is so hard for science to actually prove "spiritualty"-related things and claims and observations. I have serious doubts that it can be done, but I still believe that it should be tried, religion must be an object of scientific examination, due to the enormous power it has over people and due to the poltical authority that is claimed on its grounds - if something has so much power to influence your life for the good or worse, you better have a very very very sharp look at it and leading it on a very short line.

If one were transcendent, he would not espouse an idea which necessarily would result in murdering billions of people, condemning them to life without reliable food supply, without medical care, without decent swelling places, without human rights. The dead would be the fortunate ones. That's a transcendent quote from Robert Lewis Stephenson's Treasure Island.

Therefore you are a dangerous poseur, if anyone were foolish enough to be convinced by you, which is unlikely. It's not even necessary to disagree with you. Your own rants discredit your message, making actual disagreement unnecessary. The worst thing for you would be for a couple of people to encourage you and agree with you. You would convince everyone you're off the reservation then. Skybird and I are actually doing you a favor by exposing flaws in your reasoning.

Just like a nation's first obligation is the safety of its people, the individual's first obligation is to act in his own self-interest. You're not.

@Skybird

Eager? another ignorant statement born out of prejudice...I don't even bother to read the rest.
I see you're living in a fantasy land of your mind.

Judging by how you write stuff out of prejudices, you are exhibiting psychopathic traits. No educated man can write that BS and call it an honest opinion.

Eager how? I was merely stating what I know.

My intention was to open this for a healthy discussion but instead most people are hostile. I guess many here just can't have a healthy exchange of ideas.

I espouse the murdering of billions? without human rights, medical care, reliable food supply?

And you talk about the flaws in my arguments. I was merely presenting an idea and to have exchanges of ideas.

You guys need to grow up.

That statement is contradictory.....First you mention I am a dangerous poseur then you say it is unlikely for anyone to be convinced by me.
So what is so dangerous about me again?

If I were to say to the world: People, We need to abolish our technological advancement and live purely out of nature, would I be dangerous? Unlikely as it doesn't make sense to abandon technological advancement. The application could be aimed for more sustainability but certainly not abandonment.

You write for just the sake to argue? Like little spoiled children because you're not making any sense. Either you're dishonest or just plain stupid. Your pick.

Damn, someone's reflecting Hardcore, lol.

Nothing is free. Money might not be in dollars and cents per say, but money will still be needed in one form or another. Even in the future, nothing will be free.

I'm sure Nipplespanner doing his best with his overtly rude remarks, all uncalled for.

I'm only posting some posts on transcendence because I'm passionate about the subject and I saw some of Skybird's posts which I do not agree with. I'm not eager to convince anyone that I'm transcendent because that benefits me nothing. But I'm passionate to share my knowledge in the hope of awakening as many people as possible or at least planting a seed which made them question their belief in reality.
I'm active on my Facebook with regard to the topic and have found several people who are genuinely awakened.

Back to the old days where I'm ganged up for no apparent reason. Probably to kick me out of active participation in the forums.

If you see my posts from the beginning I had been nothing but a gentleman until people somehow without apparent reasons became hostile.

Perhaps my signature conjures up a very negative impression to them. But the person you thought of in your heads about me doesn't exist. It's a sad sad world we live in today. People get very emotional even when no ill-will is intended.

Humanity is not far from the end, I suppose, judging by how people respond to this innocent thread meant to encourage a healthy exchange of ideas and opinions. Instead, people attack another's opinion without stating the why.

well, I am of the opinion that money is good but for non-basic things. For food and rent, money should not be used for these two survival needs. Anything beyond, ie a car luxury etc money is needed.

Yeah, you have a good point. The downside of a completely money-less world is a stark reduction in variety. There wouldn't be 25 different sedan models, for example, there would probably be 1-3 models in each country which would be a shame. but with a modular design and ubiquitous 3D printing, we could still have variety in simpler things such as stereo sets, TVs, cellphones, etc but there would be less or much less variety for more advanced products. But perhaps cars would be considered a simple product in the future so we could still have a rich variety of them.

In the zero-marginal-cost video, the man is saying money is still needed but for much more sophisticated products.

But eventually, if we had a world government, money would ultimately hinder progress.

I'm very impressed by the creator of Star Trek who envisioned an advanced society without money. It dawned on him that StarTrek-like civilization (or an advanced space-faring civilization) would not have been possible with a money-age society. But there were also the Ferengis. That could also be our future model.

Obviously, many here can't see that but there is no need to be hostile. I just want ideas to be exchanged. To improve my understanding of the subject and yours too.

So you say, but when someone thinks your ideas are mistaken you come out with a statement like the one above. Telling people that you are right and if they can't see it then they just don't understand is not exchanging ideas, but as I said earlier, preaching. And when you preach at people, yes, sometimes they take it badly.

To be honest, you don't post as if you want to improve your own understanding, but to convince others of your rightness. I understand you may not intend it that way, but that is the way you come across.

Preach, how? I believe I wrote in the beginning that I wished to have a discussion?

Skybird has been doing all the preaching...

The issue is being rude in one's post. It's alright to think the idea isn't workable. but you need to tell us why.

To say a money-less society would bring us back to the primitive age without elaborating why the person held on to such a belief isn't disagreeing. It downright says no, A is bad because A will lead to B without further explanation. it's presumption, one after another. No, your idea is bad, because my presumption is this (without elaboration/explanation). Not only that it devolved into attacking character....I mean what kind of low lives are some of the people here? Seriously?


Nowhere did I preach. I replied to your posts earlier to help try explain the idea I had in my mind to facilitate a better discussion yet people were turning hostile for no apparent reason, simply none. Nippelspanner is the most obvious one.

It's one accusation after another.

Do you even realize how easy some of you were led by one rude poster? Then many people adopted the same hostile tone?
The said poster even overtly try to escalate things by mentioning DEFCON 1....I mean what kind of rocks do you guys live under? Do you not have the decency of SELF-HONESTY? I feel I'm engaging with ISIS religious radicals here. Pack mentality is pretty much evident in some of you here. Such a shame. How do you even look up in the mirror and face yourself?

Now. I'm preaching.

Oh,wait I know the answer, you don't think about it when you see yourselves in the mirror. You never have the courage to face yourself. Ignorance is bliss.

Here, have some education, 20 Diversion Tactics Highly Manipulative Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths Use To Silence You http://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-ar...o-silence-you/

BTW Skybird let me read your thesis on transcendence. Let me read it.

Here, have some education, Persecutory delusion.

Oh, you don't. I was defamed mentally ill basically saying I was nuts (apparently was hearing voices). A defamation which I have disproved through finishing a bachelor's degree just fine without medication and able to have friends and is perfectly normal at the office/work. No medication at all from the very beginning. Finished a 4-year bachelor's degree with no problem, able to contribute at work and have friends just fine. I have never heard voices.

Don't presume when you don't know a thing.

They would wish they had not defamed me with a mental illness. It has become my weapon. Hey, I'm declared schizophrenic in Singapore but I went on, without any mediation, to finish a four-year bachelor's degree just fine, able to have friends, and contributed well at work. Worked on several freelancing projects too such as translating contract, newspaper article, PhD thesis, science project, and tomorrow, I'll be editing a newspaper article soon to be published on Jakarta Post.

So, another presumption, basically you saying I'm delusional or nuts in another way.

Subsim has a lot of people with issues it seems. A normal person would reserve judgment until he knows better. But not you Dowly, you don't know anything about me but basically saying I'm nuts.

You are not a normal decent person Dowly.

Dictatorial regimes are known to abuse mental illness diagnosis one of which what you mentioned to discredit genuine persecution cases, including schizophrenia diagnosis.

I WAS STARVED IN A SINGAPORE PUBLIC HOSPITAL FOR 3-4 DAYS DESPITE MY REPEATED DEMANDS FOR MEAL until I was emaciated. Had i been really crazy I would not have been starved.

So, **** YOU DOWLY!