OK, some is convinced its terrorism and find article that support their standpoint.

Some say its not and do the same as persons who say its terrorism

Some say something different.

I don't know what it is..maybe it is terror, maybe it ain't and maybe it is some kind of terror.

Markus

The US is much different than any other nation, our melting pot includes many races, beliefs and religions...........and it often runs over.

Not sure if the man is connected heavily to a hate group, but long as he acted alone and they weren't part of it in any way, not much you can do.

Course politicians stacking on for as many brownie points as they can.

Not sure I would agree with you there Armistead. I can think of many countries far more diverse than the USA with regards race, beliefs, religion etc.

One of the issues in determining whether an act is or ain't terrorism is the motivation behind the act. Sometimes motivation is easy to determine, sometimes it is hard. This is especially true with the mentally ill.

I would rather focus on the act itself and not the motivation.

This jerk went into a church and shot and killed some people. I really don't care whether he is a terrorist, freedom fighter, demented superhero, concerned citizen, righteous defender of freedom, or even just a dumbass from the South. He unlawfully, deliberately, and with malice aforethought committed multiple murders.

Let's just focus on that.

Why focus on whether he is or ain't a terrorist? If he is a terrorist will he be executed twice or receive 20 life sentences?

Is the prosecutor going to do his job extra extra well if the defendant is a terrorist than if he was a multi-murderer?

It is not like we really need the federal government to step in and find evidence that the state can't find. Should the federal government conduct their own investigation independently of the state? Sure, I think it is a good idea for the federal government to determine if this jerk acted alone or perhaps was involved in terrorist organization. But the state has a multi-murder case to investigate.

I am also against the designation of "hate crime". It really should not make any difference if someone kills a little old lady because

1. She was there
2. She had money
3. She was of a particular race
4. She was of a particular culture

The crime was in the killing... not in the motivation behind the killing

"Mr. Jones, since this court has determined that the little old lady's race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, or any other protective status was not involved in the motivation of why you hacked her to death, this court will be a little more lenient with you. We are only giving you the death penalty. Consider yourself fortunate that your motivation was not based on a protected class or the court would be forced to deal a much more harsh penalty."

:doh:

Yea. That pretty well sums it up. :up:

:haha:

It's a fair point Platapus, and terrorist or no terrorist the guy is a homicidal nutjob and should rot in a supermax for the rest of his natural (I say this rather than the needle since the punishment is longer lasting, rather than a quick and relatively painless death).
It is important though that we don't (and when I say we, I don't just mean people here, but everywhere) use mental illness as an excuse for these sorts of actions, or indeed come to associate mental illness with radical actions just as some associate Islam with terrorism.
It is important to help people with mental illness, just as it is important to help people avoid Islamic extremism, and so on. Hopefully in that way we will help to reduce the number of domestic terrorist incidents.

Is that me with an agenda? Perhaps, but it's an agenda to try to stop more shootings like this from happening.

Been wondering that myself. Well said.

The numbers are sobering ...

http://www.thekimfoundation.org/html...tatistics.html

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...ss-prison.html

The problem is getting worse not better ... the sanity of the law makers is to take away guns or to legislate gun laws so a mental patient can do no harm to society using a gun.

Dynamite, hammers, saws, knives, swords, rocks are yes, but guns are on the list to eliminate the legal right to obtain a gun.

The click of an empty gun is a pleasant sound to the one being shot at, but what caused the click in the mind of the person doing the shooting?

A judge in Houston, Texas, at a man's sentencing for shooting for killing his best friend, asked the young man why he did it.

The answer: "Because it looked so easy on TV"

330 million people in the USA need help from it's elected law makers, not just this mentally ill shooter named Roof.

Not sure why so many have their panties in a bunch, surely Obama's henchmen will send some mercs out to off some so called white trash bikers and the scales will balance once again. :up:

I hope they lock him in a cell with a black man. Can you imagine what he has to look forward to now? :woot:

Yah, madame Clinton is roaring about gun control, as usual. Exactly what gun control law would have stopped this?

He will have to be in protective custody, there is alot of black dudes in prison. alot more than whites.

That rotten lying wench Clinton can go suck on turnips!:03:
She reminds me of water, she fits whatever container you pour her into. I could go on a multi page rant on that shyster, but the language is not kosher here.:O:

By the way I identify with the Dems, but she is bad news for everyone. I would rather vote for Trump.

Well, I'm sure there are some prison guards who will see it that some brothers get a shot at him.


I'm slightly dismayed that you wouldn't have assumed I read Future Shock (which I did about 30 years ago :), along with the Late, Great Planet Earth.) Although I am quite sure it did not contain a chapter where society makes celebrities of people with mental disorders. You can imagine that's a shock.

Yes, you're right, every generation has to deal with the changes in technology and society. I've tried to resist the cliche that mature men dish out "what's the matter with kids today", but after my short stint in the classroom, I'm not optimistic.

I'm sure you knew some would disagree with you when you posted this subject. I've done that, too. Sometimes a topic just seems right for contentious discussion. I know you wanted to make the point that white people who commit mass murder should be called terrorists just like Arabs. I just think you jumped the gun a little, posting the thread before this guy and his motivations were established.:hmm2:

After the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australian firearm laws were changed for the better, we still have deaths from shootings but its nowhere as bad as it could have been had the law not changed. Have a read of this and then ask how will gun control work.

http://loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php

It won't work because we Americans have a right to keep and bear arms therefore we don't need to ask permission from our government to possess one.

Most of the outlawed firearms are still out there. And there are more firearms in general than there were before the "buyback". The laws haven't really done anything other than give people raised on Hollywood fantasy, a perceived sense of security.

Do you have the right to bear arms because its in your constitution ?

Ah, well, screw that. Self defense is a legitimate reason to own a firearm. I'm not keen on being defenseless.

There lies the problem, everyone has to have a gun to protect yourself from people with guns, your constitution was written in 1787 when there were no automatic or semiautomatic weapons, pretty hard to have a mass shooting with a flintlock dont you think? There is no reason on earth to justify civilians owning military type weapons and handguns should only be issued for sporting purposes, its a sad reality that you will have plenty more mass shootings until the law changes.

I have them and self defense isn't a reason I even consider. I own them simply because I can and want to.