Show-off....

I did.

One interesting thing is that every great general makes at least one very bad error in judgment.Patton his big foul up was the attempted rescue of his son in law who was a POW in a German camp not to far behind German lines.Well the mission failed and the rescue unit was all killed or captured and son in law was not liberated until the war ended.

The thing with all of this was that it was a rash reaction on Patton's part and based on the known disposition of the enemy in that sector the Germans where very strong there.

Look at Zhukov his blunder was Operation Mars around Rzhev it failed and cost many lives but he did learn from it.

Patton made his blunder after he had already proven himself of course and his was also a much smaller unit of manpower involved.

All praise, even though you didn't vote for me...

Wait, I did not mean nine at once, I meant over time, recently he has fired 5 or 6 from what can tell in a short time span.Fired the Admiral and General Ham who refused to stand down during the Benghazi attack, two Marine Generals in Afghanistan for "failing to protect" the forces, which sounds like DC garbage to me. Then the Admiral over the "poker chips" thing .McCrystal and Petraeus were gone for nothing more than politics.

I'd say Pattons biggest blunder was ordering POWs to be killed rather than taken into captivity. That and his subsequent statements about the order led directly to his being stood down as commander of the 3rd Army.

To be fair, he wouldn't have been the only one. When South Korea was liberated from the Japanese, the Japanese got most of the admin work because they knew the area better than the Americans did, so for most of the Japanese it was just a case of changing employers. Naturally this did not go down well with the Koreans...

Steve, where art thou? The thread has been hijacked...:arrgh!:

Look at the situation. All levels of government both local and national were run by the party, same with everyday services, everything from garbage and post to rail, telephones, police and hospitals were run by the party faithful.
It was a one party dictatorship, the only available local staff in the jobs were linked to the party.
Now look at a similar situation with Iraq, everything was run by the one party dictatorship, once all those were instantly removed on "liberation" because they were Ba'ath everything rapidly went to pieces.
The two situations have major differences though. WW2 wasn't done on the "cheap", when they entered Germany they had plenty of their own staff ready for the jobs which they knew would need doing, they actually had a plan for how to run the occupation

As already pointed out McChrystals case was a simple case of his breaking regulations.

Saying Patreus was sacked is not correct. Whether the investigation was political is moot. It may not have thrown up anything. What's still missing is the evidence of a Stalinist style purge. All you can say for sure is that during BOs presidency there have been 9 flag rank officers that have either screwed up or been moved on due to some cause. How does that compare to other presidencies?

Re Patton his comments that the USA UK and Germany should clobber Russia probably didn't help either.

How many times do I have to tell you? It wasn't about the thread going off course, it was about you spreading your personal hate and calling it fact. It wasn't about who did it, it was about you making a fight out of it when asked to stop. As for calling me out just to make a point, there is nothing stopping you from asking people to keep your thread on topic. If they give you an argument I'll back you on it. Your wording here sounds more like game-playing than a sincere effort to put the thread on track.

Since you brought it up, I notice you're still insisting that McChrystal's suspension is over "poker chips". I pointed out that the UCMJ is the law the military lives by. You keep conveniently ignoring that. It was hardly "nothing more than politics."

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This is why your thread has gone off topic. You throw biased statements out, and then complain when people ask you to back them up. You insult everyone that doesn't think like you and complain that you are being insulted. Exactly what have you done to move this discussion forward?

I find it a bit odd no one has brought up the "revolving door" existing during the Bush administration: it seemeed every time a commanding General in either the Afghanistan or Iraq theaters brought up the lack of adequate equipment (e.g., 'hillbilly humvees', no flak jackets, etc.), non-responsivness of the civilian leadership (Sec. of Defense, White House), or the lack of sufficient troop strength to fully perform objectives, they were very, very soon shown the door. It is one thing to sack a commander for cause such as moral terpitude, or other misbehavior, but an entirely different matter to sack a commander who was trying to do his duty while being undermined by the the political needs of a bumbling administration. Where was the outrage when Cheney/Bush were sullying the otherwise solid reputation of commanders for really no other reason than they, the commanders chose to speak up in the best interests of their men, their mission, and, ultimately, their country?...

Talk about a double standard...


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Nothing can do to change that, it was wrong then, wrong now.I will say the difference is Bush Admin were saving face after a major blunder of a war.The Obama Admin, there is something more to it.There are a lot of reports the new litmus test for Generals etc is "Would you give the order to your forces to fire on american citizens if ordered to?" Those who refuse to do so are shown the door quickly after. Of course they can not be fired for that or the public can not know that is why, so things have to be manufactured or they spy and wait for them to slip up, as human beings do.Now, none of this can be confirmed but given the nature of obama, his influences, contempt for the constitution and people etc it would not surprise me one bit.

Eventually, someone will be brave enough to step forward.Took a while for a Edward Snowden to come forward, but he did and eventually, perhaps one of these Generals or Admirals will speak out.

Prove it. With links to credible sources.

I'd like to see how many reports of this litmus test there are and who besides CT believer's are reporting it.

I could say that I've heard numerous reports that giant planet eating star goats are approaching the Earth and will cause the destruction of the Earth when they arrive. But no one else will believe it without some form of evidence that there are more reports than those in my mind.

So you admit that you're guessing, wishing and hoping.

Credible is a subjective term anyways.A lot of people find Dianne Sawyer credible news reporter, yet many do no believe a word she says.Yes, reports have been on been on right leaning sites, does not mean it is not true, just can't be proven yet.Like I said, given obama's nature, predisposition to violating constitution etc, I find it likely. Did not say it was a fact(yet), but likely. Besides, it's pretty well established the "mainstream" media are on the side of obama.NBC/MSNBC should just be called the white house propaganda network so even if there was a video of obama admitting to this, not like it would get much play there.

Dr Jim Garrow, a nobel peace prize nominee apparently claimed a senior military leader told him this.Sounding the alarm perhaps? Can prove it right now? Apparently not, and if it was Bush I would probably doubt it, would not mesh with his personality but this absolutely fits obama is many ways, it's sad, funny, yet incredibly scary.Hopefully someone will speak out soon.

NO, I hope it is not true but am saying if it is, I won't be shocked given obama's nature, it makes a lot of sense.Also, when Woodward and Bernstein were writing about Watergate in the Washington Post, many people and major newspapers didn't believe them due to their anonymous source. They were ridiculed etc for criticizing the president, but look who won.

Cough FOX NEWS cough.