Nice hair George....I see that B-17 in the background and what might be a F4F or F6F off there to the side...

:hmmm: Is that really you?

If it is, I'm shocked.

Two unexpected appearances by members...CCIP and this creepy picture of Dowly that Tak posted...

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3903/dowly4u.gif


*shivers* :timeout:

Yeah that is CCIP he had that super awesome hair in a video he posted of himself firing a Mosin Nagant 91/30 like every good Russian should.He must spend a minor fortune on hair brushes and shampoo.

That is some nice hair...I have to admit... :up:

Give him the Best Of Subsim Hair Award somebody. But he looks a lot different in another pic that was posted on here in that "Subsim Bios, how you found subsim" thread....

This is like seeing your local radio DJ for the first time...that moment when you don't know how to react because you never would've thought that person looked like that.

I think he cut it that is what he said in the thread with the Mosin video sadly that means that he is no longer eligible for "best Subsim hair.I think that honor should go to Armistead's dog.

Once they'd gotten around the little nuances like the engines spontaneously detonating if they got a little too hot or if you advanced the throttle too quickly. She was not a great dogfighter either, and attacking bombers was difficult because of the closing speed, with R4M rockets it became a bit easier but like many WWII German weapon projects (thank God) it was too little too late. If you ran into P-51s in a 262, your major advantage was (naturally) speed and avoidance, because if you got drawn into a turning battle, you'd had it. For the Allies though, the 262 was a sod to actually catch once the Luftwaffe figured out how to use it, no prop fighter could keep up with it and if the Luftwaffe pilot didn't want to engage in a dogfight then all you could hope to do was flush them away from the bombers. That's why the Allies put so much into identifying 262 bases and hitting them as much as possible to try to catch the 262s at their weakest moment...landing.

I think the most important thing to come from the 262 was the wing design. Dr Adolf Busemanns theories on swept wing designs and supersonic drag and compression would become common building practice for jet aircraft right up to the present day. When you compare the 262s wings with the Gloster Meteor and the P-80, you can see Busemanns work. :yep: He is one of those people who did a lot for modern aviation but whose name is often forgotten. Indeed, I hadn't heard of him until relatively recently when I read a book dealing with British post-war jet designs and how the design of aircraft like the Hawker P.1052 which would later become the Hawker Hunter. Likewise in America, the F-86 was redesigned during its development stage when a flight engineer who could read German read Busemanns reports into swept wing designs, unfortunately for Korean war pilots, the F-86 design was kicked into the long grass until the Soviet MiG-15 which had been designed from captured examples of Busemanns designs, burst onto the scene and outperformed all the straight winged jet fighters in the threatre which were then relegated to ground attack by the swept wing F-86.

I don't know for sure. As I said, I was told that by a friend whom many considered something of an expert on the 109. As I said the aircraft was completely modular. Everything bolted onto the central fuselage section, and any part could be replaced by any other part. Apparently this led to outlying gruppen in need of spares being told those parts couldn't be authorized for older planes, so the local commanders just lied and filled in requesitions for 'G' parts. Again, I haven't seen the actual information, so I can't verify it, but it came to me from a source I trust, and I trust he knew what he was talking about.

I've not heard that either, but it sounds like typical beaurocracy. It also implies that thogh many referred to it by that name official (or just some beaurocrat) policy was to insist on the Bf designation. Probably the latter. General George Kenney of the US Fifth Air Force allegedly threatened to shoot a supply commander for refusing to send parts to front-line units because they didn't fill out forms properly.

Yep, any reference to factory designation.

Not sure what you mean. Most of them, from the D through the K, were built after the name change.

That was why I insisted. Not that it really matters. I was just because of what I had read. I can definitely be pedantic at times.

I'm pretty sure that it was Frau Kaleun who made the picture into a gif with the 'advertising'.

OH! I almost forgot! As long as we're showing pictures of ourselves with famous planes, did I ever tell you about my time with the Luftwaffe?

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Now that is something I am never guilty of...right and pigs fly.
No harm done really I enjoy a good discussion myself.

I was thinking of the change when the design of the 109 was owned by Bayerische Flugzeugwerke originally and then being the property of Messerschmidt after he bought out Bayerische Flugzeugwerke. I assume that a plate on an early 109 would have had "Bayerische FlugzeugwerkenA.G." on the plate in place of Messerschmidt and aircraft designed by ****e-Wulf would have "****e-Wulf A.G." inscribed.

Damn this over sensitive naughty word censor..... F O C K E - Wulf is not a foul word. Unless you are in a B-24 over Europe circa 1943.

I hate when you are talking about WW2 Aviation and you bring up the ****e-Wulf.

All the people who can't tell the difference between ****e and (the other word that shall not be mentioned) all gasp until you spell it and explain that it's a fighter plane...

It happened so many times (even in history class when the teacher thought I cussed him out) so I just say Fw-190 Fighter Plane. :sunny:

CCIP wins with the hair.:har:

In 12th grade we had to write a research paper in English 4 I was assigned to write a comparison/contrast paper so I chose WWII fighter aircraft vs. modern aircraft.The subject aircraft where the Fw190 and the F-16.I had to also present a presentation for the entire class.

This was back in 1994 and the "internets" had a lot less information on it back then so finding something interesting to display was hard to do.I managed to find this VHS tape(I bet you do not even know what that is) that had hours of gun camera footage on it from WWII.I tried my best to explain how they used the technology then and now how pilots used the different systems to shoot an aircraft down.At the end I showed the VHS gun camera footage and another film of a MiG-17 getting hit by a sidewinder the Mig kill was last.When I was done this kid said "that missile kill was boring" he then asked the teacher if we could watch the WWII gun camera tape again.It was much more interesting to my class mates WWII air combat because they realized that only a very small number of pilots had the skill to be truly deadly that and it is cool to watch a plane get torn apart by cannon and machine gun fire.

Did you say fok-a or fok like Fokker?If you said fok with out the er you have it wrong and it does sound close to the word of ill repute.With German names no letters are silent just like Porshe it is not pronounced "Porsh" the E at the end sounds like an a it is the same with F o c k e.If you where pronouncing it correctly then your teacher is probably a pinko commie tree huger and should be ignored. you must make the "e" an "a" like Shaka Zulu.

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I pronounce it as ****eh.


It's auto-censored, isn't it?

Typical American....has to wear a ammo belt around himself :nope:

HunterICX

Lucky you to be able to work on this airplane and thanks for the link to the site. The restauration pictures are great and might come very useful.

What's a Porshe - a female in financial trouble? :know:

F.ocker in German sounds like Lock in British pronounciation + the 'e' like in 'men', then finish with a rolling scottish 'r'. :smug: Though youre right, in contemporary German you can say F.okka with the Shaka 'a' - especially if you can'T "rrrrr" :O:. The 'e' in Porsche is also pronounced like the men-'e'.

Btw thanks for improving my German with the 'Bauart' translation. No kidding. Today you use Bauart similar to (construction) style - just what the word literally means. For example a station wagon would be a Bauart of a car.
It looks like in the 1930s the word was indeed used similar to design - makes more sense this way. Well, I learn something new every day. :yep:

You'd think that thing would flap around in the windstream... :D

Well if this is Bf109 appreciation day:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2230/hpim1381i.jpg

Ah, Gustav, I've been expecting you (in a Bond villan voice).

I'm not THAT young. I grew up on those things. I still have a working VCR believe it or not. VHS Movies was my childhood. Along with flight sims and sports. :O:

That sounds awesome though! I still can't get my class to understand air combat. They barely understand combat as it is. I'm the military history buff of the school. I have 8 kids in my class total and every time I give a presentation like that they ask all these questions and they don't understand.

"Why did that pilot fly all the way over there before turning back?"

He did that to line up a better shot and evade enemy fighters (or something like that...I'm just coming up with random questions and answers)

"But wouldn't it make sense to stay close to your target and just keep turning around?"

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"Why didn't they just shoot the plane and kill it? How hard is that?"

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