Well they did it before, from destruction of ancient Buddha figures in Afghanistan, to shooting at the Abu Simbel figures, which were not destroyed though yet.

I really would like to know why they do such things :nope:

The chances of anyone actually destroying the Pyramids are around zero. The reason that things like this happen though, is religious extremism coupled with theocracies and political instability.

Yes right, but WHY ?

I mean do they feel challenged by religions that are not among us anymore - Ra the sun god ?
Just to make the rest of the world angry at them for their defiling of world wonders ?

I just think most of them are badly educated, with no chance of a personal future. Such people are easy to persuade and indoctrinate, especially when they are young and dumb.
In the long run only good education and knowledge of history will lead to a solution. Until then ...

Bingo! Now we hit the nail on the head, and that is less in regards to the actual religion but more in regards to personal greed and zealotry. Something with Dinnerjacket possesses in spades. He also prays for the second coming, because it's probably the only way he'll be able to fight America on a level ground... :haha:

Religion is only a mask used by people for their own faults and failings, it could be Islam, it could be Christianity, it could be Hindus or Sikhs. It's all the same. There have been plenty of Christian leaders who have committed acts that Dinnerjacket can just dream about, likewise plenty of leaders of plenty of religions that have done things in the name of God.
I shall use a favourite publication of GT, Der Spiegel which agrees with me in many aspects:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-467489.html

Religious violence and hatred is not a purely Muslim thing.

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That is a very difficult question, eh? You really cannot imagine it, not to mention: link it to their religious rules, eh?

It is the same reason why some young earth creationists claim that every fossile found and dated to an era before 6000 years, has been formed by God to appear as being older, but has been made 6000 years ago for sure and then being placed by God 6000 years ago. It is the same reason why Christians read: you shall not have golden idols, you shall not have other gods beside of me. It is the same intention that such acts have had in Islam since 1000 years and longer: to rewrite and/or deny any history that took place before Muhammad, and thus is "unislamic". It is about destroying false idols that distract the faithful from the only truth and the only god there is. It is to delete anything and to kill anyone who is questioning the authority of Islam, Allah, and Muhammad by it's mere existence.

Get a warm milk with some honey in it, that should cheer you up. Reality is tough at times and so awfully uncooperative, and to realise these harsh things must be a cold and shocking experience. :Kaleun_Sleep:

Would you care to compare, empirically the present state of things regarding persecution of Muslims in the west and persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim countries?

Probably not. Because you probably have a vague feeling that the empirical relation is not in support of your relativization attempt.

He was not brigged initially, I gave him a ten point infraction and the opportunity to remove the offending photo himself.

It was his failure to comply then a further offending photo that triggered the brigging.

In hindsight perhaps I should have brigged him at the beginning but I chose to give him the afore mentioned opportunity.

The rest is history.

Its a very simple question.
The real answer is..... Those few fundamentalist pillocks are absolutely nuts.
Your answer is .....its the mooseleems they are all out to get us they are all crazy round them up or run for the hills, I haz de trew troof.

I do love the way Sky again went off on one which again manages tocompletely contradicts some of his other claims in this very same topic. plus throws in a whole new level of flat out hypocracy which further illustrates how his hatred has blinded him:smug:
Pure ignorance is bliss and it is well beyond a list:rotfl2:

Bosnia:
"200,000 people were killed, 12,000 of them children, up to 50,000 women were raped, and 2.2 million were forced to flee their homes."

Germany:
Bosphorus serial murders

India:
The Gujarat riots officially led to the death of 1,044 people, 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus. Human Rights Watch puts the death toll at higher figures, with 2000 deaths, mostly with attacks against Muslims by Hindu mobs.

Kosovo:
Operation Horseshoe

Nigeria:
Yelwa Massacre


Quite honestly, I see little difference between Muslim radicals calling for a jihad against the west and radical westerners calling for the destruction of all things Muslim. They're both just as bad as each other.

IIRC Hitler ordered a similar thing done to monuments, and the Soviets rewrote the history books every time a new leader came to power. As Ju_88s sig says "We all, at some point, deny the truth in favor of a lie that feels better." and to be fair, what is truth to some is a lie to others. Points of view and all that.

Banning all religions won't stop this kind of thing from happening though, it'll just carry on under a different name, through politics or through society. You can't eradicate that part of humanity, alas.

You set up links to civil wars for the most, and war-like action. Well, I was thinkign about the every-day violence´and/or crime and/or discmrination in the streets of ordsinary countries.

For the war scenarios. I simply refer to the genocides against Christians in Sudan/Darfur (most fo the 300.000 massacred until 2008 were Chriostians), and Nigeria (its not just the Boko Haram, many Muslims sects make hunt on Christians and Christian villages there, demanding Nigeria to become a fully Muslim state). In Pakistan. Afghjanistan. Iraq. And the progroms run in Egypt. Iran. Occassionally: Turkey.I remind of the the assassination of Christain rpiest on the streets in egypt. Turkey. Algeria. Tunisia. The systemtic daily supression/discrimination of and exlcusion from the law for infidel communities in Turkey. Syria. Saudia Arabia. egypt. Libya. Tunisia. Marocco. Afghanistan. Pakistan. Iran. Iraq. I refer to the stream of Jewish refugees fleeing Muslim mobbying in Rotterdam. Malmö. Copenhagen. And apparanetly a hundred cities scattered across England. Germany. Netherlands. Denmark. Sweden. I refer to the bending of the laws on behalf of Muslim interests and Muslim criminal perpetrators. The banning of infidel culture in Muslim countries while Wetsern countries are engaged in limitng freedom of tho9ught and speech, and allowing moree and more moften exceptions in the law on behalf of Shariah law. I refer to the huge death toll caused by Muslim terrorism worldwide, day by day, every week, ever ymonth, every year.

When was the last Imam stabbed to death oin the streets of Edinburgh or Cologne? When was the last mosque assembly stormed and attacked by a Christian or Jewish mob? When was the last time you had a week of Jewish bomb plotters trying to blow up Muslims in the street? When was the last time you heared Jerws and Chriostzian in Muslimc o****ries demanding to be exlcuded from this or that law of the country?

I do not even mention the many acts of cruelty against women being seen as disobedient or uncooperative when being assaulted by some Muslims husband or "man", or simply get raped and be held responsible for it.

I also must tell you that the German serial killings, 12 victims in ten years, was done by Nazi rightwingers and thus rates as terror (or crime, as some would prefer). These m,urders were not cvarried out on behalf of a west5ern government. Christian religion. Any socially accepted ideology. But the violence I talk of above, is covered by the Quran and Muhammad, is even demanded and called for. The Bosnia war was a war between Serbs and Bosnians. Wetsern powers were not involved on behalf of the Serbs, nor was the Catholic or Protestant church. Regarding India you may waqnt to level that story you quote against the Kashmir terror, and the death toll caused by Muslim terrorism in India over the years. Again, this is nothign that has to do anythign with Westerupoean nations. The churches. The Jews.

Compare the level of crime, discrimination, intolerance, supüression, of Jews and Chriostians in Libya, Egypt, Saudi arabaia, Syria. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and compare that with the supression of Muslims, crimes, violence, hate directed tat them, progroms and actiosn carried out against them, in WetsEuropean and Northamerican countries.

And if then yoiu want to tlel me that Wetsern nations treat "their Muslims" as bad as Muslim natiosn treat Jews and Christians, then I really cannot help you and must call you a hopeless case.

On some aspects, this site does a useful numerical count.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
And especially the links to stories on the right side have some thigns to say: individual stories form the daily news that in their mass really tell something. Show me that christians and Jews make so much noise in Muslim countries!

It does not compare. It just does not compare.

Exactly. Im saying this since - since how long...? But of the three desert dogmas, currently Islam is by far the loudest yelling, the one causing the biggest stirr, and doing the most of rioting and mobbing. From media presence, Islam is the strongest relgion in the West - several times as omnipresent as Chroszt6ain chruches and Jews together. There are many days I do not read about the latter in the news. But every day I read several different issues about Muslims in the West complaining again about soemthing in the West, and useful idiots in the left-leaning German feuilleton assisting them, keeping the issue alive even on the few days when Muslims do not complain about something (rare, but occassionally there is such a day).

Pat Condell: When you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of all religions of the desert. - Right he is. Fundamentalism in religion always is bad. And when a wholew concpet of any ideology is fundamentalistic by essence and nature, this is even worse, sicne it makes any moderation and reformation a heresy, an abberation from the basic rule. And that is where the problem lies with Islam.

Call me what you want to call me Skybird, a hopeless case if you must.

You link to that website a lot, and it certainly tells one side of the story, that's true, and that side of the story makes good headlines.
I'm not trying to say that Muslims are all innocent and holy, what I'm trying to say is that Muslims and Christians alike are exactly the same, they both have their normal worshippers and they have their extremists.
We came out of the era of having religion as a government in Europe and the west a few hundred years ago, the Middle East hasn't. I would love for them to undergo the sort of transformation that Turkey went through during the Ataturk years (and is now sliding back from) but that's not likely to happen. So we get religious governments who are, to be honest, a greater threat than religious extremists, no matter what religion they are.
I worry when I see far-right Christian senators in America, and some of the things that have been said by American politicians, which has lead to things like fire-bombing of Mosques and abortion clinics because some people are sheep, and like sheep they get scared and follow whatever has the loudest voice, which in this case turns out to be a wolf.
The trouble is, Skybird, and I think that this is what we're falling over here, is that while you equate Muslim extremism to be a direct result of their religion, I equate it to be the result of a religion taken in the wrong manner. It would be quite easy to work up people in the west into a crusade against Muslims, to take an entire cross section of society and denounce it as evil, it is easier in fact to do that than to come to the conclusion that the religion has nothing to do with it, and it's the people that are the problem.
It's been done before, all Jews are rich, all Blacks are thieves, all Eastern Europeans are benefit thieves, all Germans are Nazis, all Russians are Commies, all Italians are cowards, etc, etc, etc. It's easy to do, and even easier when you are in an armed conflict with people of that description, but if all Muslims are religious extremists, then why after 9/11 did several prominent American Muslims condemn the attack? Fearful of their lives perhaps? Fair enough, I can see how that could be put, but what of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, or the leaders of Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Palestine, Egypt, Iran (of all people) and even the spiritual leader of Hamas, ALL of them condemned the attacks of 9/11. Now, they are all Muslims, two of them are quite important Muslims with controversial views, and by the rule of law which prevails amongst the mindset of those who run the 'Religion of Peace' website, this means that they are all Muslim radicals, so why on Earth are they condemning an attack which killed over three thousand 'infidels'?
Radicals will always have a louder voice than normal people, that is why there are so many anti-Muslim and anti-Christian websites around the internet, that is why people think that all Americans are Red-necks, and all Arabs are religious extremists. As always, ALWAYS in life, the idiots ruin it for those who just want to get along in life.

You call me a lost cause, well, Skybird, I put it to you that you are no different to the radical Imams that preach hatred of Christians.

I have a lot of respect for you as an intelligent person, but I find your hatred against an entire group of people for the actions of what IS a minority in the grand scheme of things both unsettling and frightening, as frightening as the hatred that minority has of us.

We are forced to concentrate on the moronic minority because the silent majority lacks a backbone.

Alas this is true, or perhaps they do not consider the moronic-minority to be as much of a threat as some people make them out as. Consider that in the streets of Britain you are far, far, far more likely to be stabbed for your mobile phone than you are to be stabbed because you're the wrong religion.
I think that speaks volumes about the true problems facing the western world in the 21st century.

The only problem I see with any faith is it is backed by the God of choice and there is no compromise from that position and therefore no peace.

I'm just happy to know that Muslim extremists in Scotland are attacked while they are still on fire :D

(one of incident here but always good to know)

This is a problem, yes, although I think it depends less upon the faith than it does on the person involved in the situation, but yes, it does lead to long term animousity between zealous groups of the involved faiths. However, the problem comes when you tar ALL members of a faith with the same brush, that they are ALL zealots who seek the destruction of the opposite faith.
It would be akin to saying that all Christians are members of the Westboro baptist church.

:haha: Yes, and this gives an indication to the IQ level of these extremists that they would actually consider fighting the Scottish... :03: