Going by this topic maybe its intelligence, people on the "right" have this thing about crazy conspiracies, a habit of calling absolute drivel "spot on" and calling someone who is clearly clueless an "expert".

Or look at it this way......
People complain, some people complain loudly, if the people making the most noise happen to be on the far fringe(as is usually the case) then what they are calling "left" is probably "right" and "far left" is probably near the "center".
Its just the same as with the media, schools are a vast global conspiracy just like the news is, and its all against them and their viewpoint.

Talking of the left wing global media, did anyone notice that the opening "expert" who is an "academic" seems to be parroting his lines straight from News Internationals chalkboard of conspiracy?:rotfl2:

Great post mr haplo!
That is exactly the problem.
Academia races much "ahead" of reality by theorizing.
Living on Olimpus can make one lose sense of reality.

Maybe academia saves wasting a lot of its time on "conservative" notions by looking at the "ideas" and remembering what happened all the previous times that particular "reality" was tried.

Living on Olympus would give a far better sense of reality and a far better view of the issues than living with bunkervision does.:yeah:
After all as a measure you are a prime example, all this global cabals , intellectual elite in education and world wide meadia conspiracies with capitalists and communists woking together to keep the good people down....it sounds just like something you should be able to discern clearly from a mile away, if you wasn't stuck looking through a narrow slit.

Just flew over a German headline that Obama THIS YEAR wants to add another 1.3 trillion to the debts of the record he already is responsible for, this time spending the money on traffic and infrastructure.

True? If so, then: Wowh. Just Wowh.

Hey mickey...looking for a boxing round?
First part was a legit response in second you get too much ....irish ?

If that were what they were doing, to be sure. But that sort of begs the question as to why they still babble about socialism when it, throughout all of human history, every time it has been tried under no matter what name, has failed miserably.

Every. Single. Time.

You would think that after a few hundred failed attempts true "intellectuals" would finally give up on it.

Repeating the same action time after time expecting a different result and all that... :DL

Last time I checked the stimulus packages were to encompass infrastructure and the shovel ready projects. I guess we are to just forget about that aspect. Typical. Earmark and raid it for something else. Thus goes the steady on course Washington that has taken the same course for decades.

Who still babbles about socialism?
Apart from the fringe who think everything they don't like or don't get is socialism.
Hey, who babbles...its bubbles:woot:
That is why most people who think would advocate a mixed system not the same lame ones again and again, the problem of course being finding the right mix that would work

Who is mickey?
You are really fond of the canvas ain't ya....on the few occasions when you ain't already just running round the ring in a blind panic:rotfl2:

Did it hit too hard?
What does irish mean?
MH are you out to prove that you share another despicable trait with those 30's fools?

The problem there AVG is that infrastructure can cover most projects one way or another and "shovel ready" is a very flexible term, however only $476 billion is allocated for that slice not the $1.3 trillion sky mentions
Look on the bright side on the bigger number, its a running deficit reduction of $100 billion with a projection of a surplus next budget(who knows, it may even happen:har:)

Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to tell me that relabeling it once again is going to make it fundamentally different from all of its previous failed incarnations. You can call it "social democratism", "progressivism", "liberalism", "national socialism", whatever you want, even though it's going to be quite a challenge to come up with one that hasn't already been tried at least once, it's still not going to be any different from the rest.

Which, at last count, have caused the deaths of at least 150 million people but, hey, we just haven't found the right "mixture" yet.

It's always "but that's not really socialism" with the likes of you. It's always something else. Something impure, some perversion of your inevitably wonderful ideals. None of the failures count because they weren't caused by "real" socialism, whatever that might be. Other than some dream society in which nobody has to work and everybody pays their way by plucking off money from a tree in their back yard.

In the Soviet Union, the party apparatchiks always went on and on about how everybody would reach "true socialism" any day now. They became the party of "Utopia of Next Tuesday" as a result. Always just out of reach, only one more adjustment and it would be finally here.

But who am I to try to destroy your faith in Santa Claus, your unshakable belief that just one more five year plan, just one more tiny adjustment to the mixture will finally make lead turn into gold?

Just don't insist that the rest of us have to suffer while you wait for Utopia of Next Tuesday to arrive.

I've had quite enough of that.

Hey hey hey hey hey.



Leave Santa alone.

Who still babbles about socialism?
People like you by the looks of it.

If you want to put a label on something then define it, you appear to be another one of those .... who think everything they don't like or don't get is socialism.


You shoot you miss you fail:rotfl2:

Well obviously you are completely the wrong person:88)
What is this unshakable belief you rant about and what do you think it is faith in?
This topic was funny enough as it was, but you have now pushed up the hilarity factor by a huge measure, well done:woot:

Have you got the faintest idea what you are going on about?

Still you were quite right when you wrote .......but you need to add that you don't seem to know what your own point is.

What's with all the straw here men?

It sure don't look like Kansas

Tribesman:
I'm all for infrastructure restoration/renewal truth be told. But you are correct, "shovel ready and infrastructure are broad terms with broader definitions. The sad reality is the money allocated will not be used for infrastructure. If you are familiar with the Social Security funds you are also familiar these funds go to anything but Social Security. This activity happens at the local level as well. The Gov of Maryland wants to raise gas tax .15 cents/gallon over three years for the road repair/renewal fund. Well wait a minute. There is a fund already that has plenty of funds for roads. Where did the money go? Ummmm.....raided once again.....:88) Funds are constantly raided, moved, and absconded all the time. :shifty:

Easy, most professors are "theory people", they have little to no real world experience with the things they advocate or teach, especially those teaching things such as political science, economics etc. Many Profs tend to get caught in their own little bubble and not understand how things work.I mean it is a nice gig once you have tenure, and even a professor at a community college makes decent money with some perks, so imagine at a major university. People like Barack Obama are a perfect example, Obama has never worked in the real economy, he went from law school to some firm for a little while, taught constitutional law(which is scary, someone like him could teach that course) as far as I can tell his only job after was that of a "community organizer" which is pretty much a joke.Then he entered politics but really did not do much while there, both in IL and the US Senate before managing to finagle his way to the white house.

Since academia is dominated by liberals who spew their nonsense on impressionable students, it kind of becomes a self perpetuating cycle, indoctrinate as many as possible, they become liberally inclined but that is why most people become more conservative, especially economically, as they age because they come to understand that left wing economic theory is just crap and does not work in the real world.I laugh at many of my friends from undergrad who were far left but have moved away since we are what two years out of undergrad and they are working(if can actually find a job in this economy) and are finding out how things work, about taxes etc.Favorite case of this is a friend is a bit older than me, he went to Dental School and is now an Orthodontist, he was quickly turned his crazy left wing economic views around seeing his tax rate, it is quite amusing.I would most likely be one of the theory people currently but growing up, I watched my father build a small three man operation into a successful business, put things in perspective for me from a fairly young age.

So in summation, there is the theory world and the real world.Theory world is great, nothing better than an education as it helps you advance yourself in many ways as a human being BUT one must understand the real world.

So if "Theory world is great, nothing better than an education as it helps you advance yourself in many ways as a human being BUT one must understand the real world." Would it not be a good thing that academia are mostly leftist that way the the few that better understand the real world will in the end be a benefit to the few that are not fooled by the nonsense?

How does one understand the real world?Am I in the real world or a theory world?How dose one know?

I find it absolutely hilarious that the best argument the righties can come up with is that "the lefties only have theories that don't work in real life practice!" and yet they cling to the discredited ideology of trickle down economics and tax cuts for the rich as being good for the economy.

"Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

Face it. Both parties have a very poor understanding of economics.

As far as hardcore capitalism i should say it works that way.:haha:

I have quite a bit of 'real world' experience in my field. So do almost all of my colleagues.

EDIT: Yes, I misspelled field. And I have a doctorate. Go me.

"Face it. Both parties have a very poor understanding of economics."


Or the real world for that matter.


"I have quite a bit of 'real world' experience in my field. So do almost all of my colleagues."

In leftist pinko-commie leftist leanings and of implanting them into the minds of young impressionable students according to Bubblehead a person who "understands how the real world works" Bubblehead should enlighten us all with this knowledge that he has of the real world.I am rather curious because I am pretty certain that I have been in the "real world" for some time yet I do not agree with most anything that he has said.He most likely thinks that I am a pinko-commie and I do admit that I did once while in Italy get invited to eat with a group of pinko-commie farmers they wanted to speak with someone in the American military and see what my world was like compared to their theory world they had just theoretically gathered up their harvest they made a good choice because I am not a Democrat nor am I leftist of course I am not right wing either.The theoretical food was rather delicious and everyone seemed theoretically very happy.