Millions were sent to the camps. Almost all did not return. What happened to them? Were they abducted by aliens?

What's the most likely explanation?

What motivates you to ignore it?

We have a winner! :yeah:

Hi Growler,
I believe Hess defected before operation Barbarossa, so the Soviets had no
reason other than a political one.

Zee

Wow.
There I am, jusone night out, drinking with the lads, and I come back to a thread full of comedy. Man,I love the complaining in first posts how one is not allowed to talk about holocaust denial - on a board where the owner allows this discussion, and where the server is histed under the law of Texas, USA - or are ZOG the three letters you funny guys like to refer to the States. Guess the jewish-controlled United States do allow some discussion :o?

As I am not sober now, I refrain from a discussion with the nutters, who present no new claim to their cases since decades: yawn!

So I prefer to respond to a guy who looks like a legitimate member, as he is a relative to the one,only and real Mr. Rivit -bro-in-law, I think?

The reason why not many people off themselves at 93 is that not many people reach that age and not many are in the physical condition to choose. If you talk to people who work in retirement homes, you'll see that suicide at old age is as comman as in any age group.
A psychological motive might be to show that you are still in control of your own decisions - and do not rely on the health care of your enemy - as which Hess still saw the people who kept him in prison.

other people I would only like to quote:

too lazy to make a meme:

Offtopic, but still: I recommend doing that, if you can find time. It's a fascinating book. People love to talk about Hitler, but not many people for some reason take the opportunity to study his thoughts and backgrounds, even when they are readily available in a convenient book form. It's a great source and can be easily found online too (that's how I found the English quotes for my post).

Oh, and thanks for the compliment :oops:.

If I said what I thought to a couple of members - one of whom let me down espeically reading other posts - I'd get put in the brig so I better calm down before I post something stupid. :shifty::dead:

Quite a jail term, for a diplomat on a peace mission.

Oh noes! Please, please, please don't go! We'll bake a cake, if you stay! :yep:

The enduring myth of Rudolf Hess
 

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On Wednesday 20 July 2011 - the anniversary of the attempt on Hitler's life in 1944 - the public was informed that the grave of Rudolf Hess, the "Fuehrer's deputy", had been razed before daybreak.

Beyond the fascinating coincidence in the date - there will surely be further speculation on this - the decision by Hess's heirs was surprising.

They wanted to commit his mortal remains to the waves and organise a funeral at sea for a man whose mystique and influence on the far-right was strongly linked to the existence of his grave in the Bavarian village of Wunsiedel.

He was already one the most interesting figures in post-war Germany, being the only high-ranking Nazi serving a life sentence imposed by the Nuremberg war-crimes court - Albert Speer, for instance, was released in 1966.

'Anti-German plot'

Hess owes his ambiguous fame to the circumstances of his death. He was found hanged in a summer house in Berlin's Spandau Prison, where he had spent the previous 20 years.

The official version - contested by right-wingers of all stripes - was that he committed suicide to end his long imprisonment.

For the German and international far-right movement, this was clear evidence that the powers that be had tried to suppress the truth about an "anti-German" plot dating back to the war years.

According to this version of events, the Allied forces - notably the British secret service - ignored the true purpose of Hess's flight to Britain in 1941. He was taking a peace plan to Churchill, he told his interrogators.

This idea made Hess the perfect figure to portray the Nazis as victims, rather than aggressors.

Britain had started World War II to destroy Germany, and Hess was captured in Scotland to crush the peaceful intentions of Nazi Germany.

Even the fact that Hitler declared him insane did not dent this legend.

Revitalised myth

Moreover the resurgent Nazi scene in recent years has gradually recognised the potential of this myth to attract young people susceptible to tales of injustice.

What started as a tiny demonstration of a handful of Nazi activists in the 1990s had turned into thousands regularly filling the streets of Wunsiedel by early 2000s.

Everybody who looked at such scenes - including myself and my academic colleagues - felt uncomfortable. Most of the demonstrators were young and dressed like average heavy-metal kids - until you looked at their T-shirts and tattoos.

The Hess myth, modernised to satisfy a desire for victimhood, made the Wundsiedel commemorations alluring to young people. But it also led the Constitutional Court to ban the event in 2005, as the potential for the recruitment of new blood into the Neo-Nazi movement got increasingly obvious.

However the court order had limited effect on such gatherings, which continued less frequently and at a smaller scale elsewhere. But then Hess had become a kind of right-wing Che Guevara, with his portrait on shirts, buttons and posters.

In the end the family agreed to terminate the lease on the grave.

Thus an event that many would have thought highly improbably until now became reality on Wednesday evening. What might be the consequences of this startling decision?

Nazi zombie

Firstly, it is no coincidence that the relatives and officials chose to eliminate every physical trace of a figure with a vast potential for creating right-wing legends.

As was the case for Osama Bin Laden some weeks ago, the authorities understand the power of a permanent shrine to a highly controversial figure.

It becomes a place of pilgrimage, a focus for irrational and uncontrollable worship.

Secondly, the far-right movement has lost a crucial place embodying myths and legends that give it a friendly face. The neo-Nazis desperately need to celebrate the memory of an attractive "hero" for the benefit of new recruits.

And thirdly, there will be an increased potential for violence of all kinds - from street unrest to digital stalking - by the far-right.

Deprived of a leading rallying figure, the movement will feel that its noble tradition has been humiliated by unjust powers yet again.

Ultimately it is possible that a renewed cult could rise again around Hess, the ultimate Nazi zombie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14244165

Note: Update Record,22 July 2011 Last updated at 00:24 GMT

If you're not being sarcastic, I wasn't planning to leave the forum - just saying I better not do anything that will ensure I get a vacation if you catch my drift.

I prefer chocolate cake btw. :woot:

I was being sarcastic, but in my usual light hearted way. I just didn't (for the second time) see the point of posting in the middle of discussion and saying you are not going to say anything, but people discussing are still idiots.

Well, all i can say is i'm glad i didn't post this article. And i would have beaten Vendor to the punch because one, he hadn't posted it at that time and i had the finger on the trigger, ready to submit post.
Glad i didn't. It's the usual BS discussions about Nazis and what if's and maybe's and conspiracy theories and stuff that has been discussed everywhere in the World.

So you see our records that a race?, If that is the fastest, it does not me, but enjoy it yourself, keep it up, regarding this, so just like many other postings, then the reaction from many sources, some less gifted a second, so it is and so there will always be, but the step to prevent postings of this kind, is quite another.

You misunderstand me.
This is not a race, far from it. I am not competing with you, Vendor. I have more pressing matters to attend to in life than to race with post counts. What i meant by my last post was that i am glad i didn't post it because i knew it would bring up a troll who is fishing, and also discussions which have been worn out so many times in the past.
Now, as for my wording with the "would have beaten Vendor to the punch", i can see how that can be misconstrued, however what i meant by that is that i wanted to get the message across that i could have, but didn't post the article. Simply that.

Do not worry my friend, I do not interpret your words as negative, I am fully aware that the "Post" such as this, can attract trolls, and people who find it fun, to not be serious in their actions.

Peace in this case would be giving the Axis a free hand in Europe, lets not forget that this happened about a month before Operation Barbarossa and while there was a stalemate going on in North Africa (six months before Operation Crusader pushes the Axis back in to Libya). Any peace with the Allies would have been a clear 'win' for the Germans at this point.

Apologies Vendor, i had my defenses up. I will lower them. :salute:
I just didn't quiete understand your words.

Do not worry, you are always welcome,:salute:

Back on track now I hope.

Yes, I used to wonder if the offer of a peaceful solution was actually part of Hitlers bigger strategic plan.