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John Channing 08-01-10 08:51 AM

Thanks.

If the video about entering the course doesn't make sense I have made one with step by step instructions. If anyone needs it let me know and I will upload it.

JCC

Gerald 08-01-10 09:45 AM

You are really talented and a very good description!
 
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Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1447733)
Part 2...



Hope you don't mind and thanks for the compliment!




Because the course setting function does not really explain well in pictures I have uploaded a brief video showing a two step process for getting the contact's course onto the TDC.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=2744

With practice you can do it in one step, but to start I used 2.

Good Hunting!

JCC

:DL

irish1958 08-01-10 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457518)
Thanks.

If the video about entering the course doesn't make sense I have made one with step by step instructions. If anyone needs it let me know and I will upload it.

JCC

John, I need ALL the help I can get; would you please post the link for us who are conceptually challenged (i.e., dumb):O:

arnahud2 08-01-10 02:07 PM

Yes, i agree with Irish1958, some of us needs this video. Could you upload it, your work is greatly appreciated ?

Thanks.

Nisgeis 08-01-10 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1457561)
:DL

Vendor, any chance you could edit your post so you don't quote all the pics? It's a bit long :DL.

Has anyone had any success with the TDC, who hadn't previously used it?

John Channing 08-01-10 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arnahud2 (Post 1457719)
Yes, i agree with Irish1958, some of us needs this video. Could you upload it, your work is greatly appreciated ?

Thanks.

OK, guys.. here you go!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=2747

JCC

Nisgeis 08-01-10 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by arnahud2 (Post 1457467)
@Nisgeis, et si vous êtes francophone ;) : merci beaucoup pour l'aide que vous m'avez si gentiment proposée, j'aprecie beaucoup la qualité de votre SAV (:salute:).

I had to look up what SAV meant - not heard that before. That's what the forum is all about. Two people working together can do more than twice the work of a single person working alone. Maru-Maru, je te plumerai. :-)

arnahud2 08-01-10 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis (Post 1457799)
Maru-Maru, je te plumerai. :-)

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

"Alouette, je te plumerai" :O:

What does SAV mean ? Really simple : when you bought something, like a car, for ex., if there any troubles with it within the guarantee period, you will have to get back your car to your seller, for maintenance and/or repairing : that's the S.A.V. (Service Après Vente)

regards

John Channing 08-01-10 04:55 PM

La plume de ma tante est sure la tableau!

But seriously, folks...

I have to share this with you guys.

To get myself in the mood I read through the first war patrol of the USS Tang. One of the things I find captivating about these war patrol reports is the all the uncertaintity they were faced with when persuing a contact. What is it's base course? What is it's speed? Did we guess the mast height correctly. Did we identify it correctly? All of the unknows coming together that had to be solved for a sucessful prosecution. Facinating.

And that's was most Sub-sims have been missing. You see the contact on the map, you zoom over in high TC, get into a a perfect firing position, you identify the ship using built-in code and ZAP... he's dead. Fun, but it really does wear out eventually.

Until now.

This is a whole new game. After getting stoked on Cpt. O'Kane's report I continued my patrol in the Sea of Japan. The entire transit there had been uneventful with only one radar contact as I was coming through the La Pérouse Strait , but I lost it in a bad storm. I dove and got a very faint hit, but it faded out and I gave up.

Just like real life!

4 days later and now I am really being put to the test. I have four contacts, traveling in a line, zig zagging in weather that could charitably described as awful. Howling winds, heavy seas, zero visibility and I am tracking them with radar and the solution I have in the TDC. Unlike before where once you had a contact on a map you were almost guaranteed a kill, now I have no idea how this is going to turn out. In fact... I am beginnng to suspect these are sampans or fishing boats from their behaviour... but I have no idea at this point.

The echo's of Capt Richard O'Kane's patrol reports are loud and amazing. I have been tracking this contact for 2 hours and haven't used TC once. I can't! I need all the time I can get just to figure out what they are doing. It took me almost 1/2 hour just to get their speed down (a process which prior to this mod was about a four minute job). I am still not confident in their course but I am gojng with what I have for now. The zig zags are driving me crazy.

My hat is off to Nisgeis. This is the game I wanted from the day it was announced!

Now.. if I only had a Distance to Track dial...

:D

JCC

Nisgeis 08-01-10 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457838)
Now.. if I only had a Distance to Track dial...

How do you know about that dial? Spies! That's on my list, I just haven't done it yet (it will go where the SBC would have been). Interestingly (or not) Range to Track was an update to the mark 3 TDC, which later had that update put on hold and was never seen in the later Mark 4.

Urge 08-06-10 11:11 PM

OK, so I am trying to work with the XRT5 TDC Training Part 1 mission located here... E:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific\Data\SingleMissions\XRT5 TDC Training Part 1. I have a contact going 18 knots at a range of approx. 8550yds when the mission starts! The blurb about the mission states that it is going 10 knots and is at a range of 12,000 yds. What's up with this? Here is a list of my mods...
TriggerMaru_Overhaul_2
RSRDC_TMO_V502
RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1
TGT DIALS TO PK FIX - TMO
3D TDC and Radar Range Unit v1.02
Gramophone_Three

Help, all of a sudden everything I write is underlined!!! How do I stop this abberant behavior?

Urge



Nisgeis 08-07-10 03:03 AM

Hmmm, that's odd. I don't know how that happened, perhaps something got mixed up. With the radar training pack I provided, you don't need to copy them into the single missions folder, just install with JSGME as normal. I downloaded JCC's version of the mission and he's changed the ship without updating the blurb, except his ship starts about 20 km away and is on a course of 342 so that can't be the mission you have either. Maybe along the way I incorporated a changed mission file without noticing.

I've modified the mission and re-uploaded it here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1952

10 knots on a course of 338 at a starting range of 12,000 yards.

Well done for spotting it though. The speed was indeed 18 knots, so well done for finding the 'deliberate mistake' :DL.

To stop the underlining, highlight all the text and click on the U with an underline in the text formatting toolbar at the top of the editting window.

Urge 08-07-10 09:29 AM

Nisgeis wrote...
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I've modified the mission and re-uploaded it here:
Thank You Sir

Nisgeis wrote...
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To stop the underlining, highlight all the text and click on the U with an underline in the text formatting toolbar at the top of the editting window.
Again, Thanks

Urge

Nisgeis 08-07-10 11:23 AM

No problem, sorry about the mix up. How are you getting on with it?

Urge 08-07-10 01:41 PM

Nisgeis wrote...
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How are you getting on with it?
I played with both radar scopes a few times to get ranges and that all seems pretty straightforward. After loading the correct Tdc training mission I started working on the TDC inputs but I am having a technical problem. I can't read some of the dials. The Target, Target Course and Own Ship dials are very difficult to read. I have to use a magnifying glass! The game resolution I am using is 1280 x 960. On the forum the pics you show have dials that are easy to read. Is it me or is it true for everyone? Should I change my resolution? I haven't spent all that much time playing with this mod but it seems to have lots of potential to make the game infinitely more interesting and rewarding.
Never mind, I just figured out that all I had to do was zoom it. I'm an idiot!

Another question, I am guessing that with this new TDC capability I can shoot stern-mot-bow, bow-stern-mot or any other combo of shots I want by just pointing at where on the target I want to hit and firing, is this true? In essence, point and shoot once you have a solution in the TDC.

Urge

I'm goin' down 08-07-10 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1461934)
OK, so I am trying to work with the XRT5 TDC Training Part 1 mission located here... E:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific\Data\SingleMissions\XRT5 TDC Training Part 1. I have a contact going 18 knots at a range of approx. 8550yds when the mission starts! The blurb about the mission states that it is going 10 knots and is at a range of 12,000 yds. What's up with this?


I am mad at you Nisgeis!!! I too got 18 kts. So, I would restart the attack scenario. Thankfully, I only wasted a few hours. Thank you Urge!!:yeah: (A good auditor is never a waste of money!) 18 kts.!! Sheesh!!

Urge 08-08-10 01:25 PM

I have a few observations, hopefully some of them are valid and helpful.
In the blurb that Nisgeis wrote for the TDC Training Part One mission it states:

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This is the first TDC training mission. You will be positioned NNE of your target, a large modern tanker, which is steaming on a course NNW at approximately 12,000 yards (6 miles). The tanker is on a course of 338 degrees at a speed of 10 knots.

Practice using the TDC, with the details given above. As you know the target's course, you do not need to worry about eyeballing or drawing on the chart to work out the target's AOB. Use the TDC's target course entry dial to enter the course of 338 (making sure the AOB dial is selected in the periscope) and send this to the TDC.

I attempted this a few times and always ended up with the TDC showing the target going right to left(port AOB) when it was actually going left to right(starboard AOB). This clearly would not work so I decided that you needed to do a range and bearing before you do the AOB and this worked out perfectly. I am def. a noob at this so I don't know if I did something else wrong and corrected it with this or what?

In John Channing's Radar Training instructions he says after you get your Radar range and bearing to point the scope at the bearing you got from Radar but you really want to point it at the ship if it is visible, yes? That is what I have been doing anyway.

After I turn on the PK my target course keeps changing. Just a few degrees but it was down to 333° and I still wasn't in position to fire. Is this a problem?

Is there any reason I can't update range, bearing or AOB after the PK is on? I mean, that's what it's there for right? Just the same way I do it before I turn on the PK.

A couple of times while trying this I swear I entered the speed but later on I looked and it read zero. Could I have clicked anything to return speed to zero?

I took several screenshots, converted them and uploaded them to Photobucket but I am unhappy with the results. I am going to add one to this post just to make sure I have a clue and try for better pics later after I come back from a wake.

sample pic
Urge

Well, apparently I don't have a clue. How do I make this appear as a full size pic?

I'm goin' down 08-08-10 02:13 PM

nisgeis
 
I am still pissed off! :wah:(My forward torpedoes' crew is refusing to man their stations and are about ready to mutiny! In fact, they have taken off their unifiorms, and are on the deck, dancing in their T-shirts and shorts, the radio, which is now playing 'Hey, Soul Sister," by Train." They play every song by Train because, as you know, the crew of our namesake, the "SS Barb" went ashore on the Jap mainland in the real Mccoy and blew a train to smithereens. "Hey, where did those girls come from? It ain't fair the way they move. Got to go because when the girls 'cut a rug, you know it is the only drug I need.' ":salute:

I'm goin' down 08-08-10 02:15 PM

Everyone
 
Thank God for Urge!:woot:

Nisgeis 08-08-10 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
I have a few observations, hopefully some of them are valid and helpful.
In the blurb that Nisgeis wrote for the TDC Training Part One mission it states:

I attempted this a few times and always ended up with the TDC showing the target going right to left(port AOB) when it was actually going left to right(starboard AOB). This clearly would not work so I decided that you needed to do a range and bearing before you do the AOB and this worked out perfectly. I am def. a noob at this so I don't know if I did something else wrong and corrected it with this or what?

You can put the course in without putting in a bearing as well, but the problem is only correct when you have range, bearing, speed and course entered. So, yes you need to tell the TDC where the target is (range and bearing) as well as where it is going to be (course and speed). The screenshot your (sort of) posted is correct for course.

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Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
In John Channing's Radar Training instructions he says after you get your Radar range and bearing to point the scope at the bearing you got from Radar but you really want to point it at the ship if it is visible, yes? That is what I have been doing anyway.

Yes, Optical bearings are always preferable to radar bearings. They are much faster, as you can lock the scope and much more accurate.

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Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
After I turn on the PK my target course keeps changing. Just a few degrees but it was down to 333° and I still wasn't in position to fire. Is this a problem?

The target course will change if you enter a new bearing, because the in game TDC has a bug in it, which messes up the course when you enter it. Just make sure to reset the course when you put a new range and bearing in.

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Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
Is there any reason I can't update range, bearing or AOB after the PK is on? I mean, that's what it's there for right? Just the same way I do it before I turn on the PK.

This is what I said when you asked about that dials mod:

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I tried something similar last year using the set_tgt_speed etcetera commands in the game, but I decided against putting them into the mod, as you still have to send the updates to the TDC to get them into the solution and it only works when the PK is Off, which is kind of not the point of the mod. I thought it would get confusing having the AoB and associated dials update in real time when the PK was off, but doing something different when the PK was on. The only way round that would be to turn the PK off mid solution, but then that's just odd and adds extra steps into the process. You can already see the target course update as you change the AoB on the 3D TDC.

There is no benefit in updating the target's speed or range in real time that I can see either.
I thought it would cause confusion :DL. That's why I left it out. That code doesn't work properly with the US TDC.

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Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
A couple of times while trying this I swear I entered the speed but later on I looked and it read zero. Could I have clicked anything to return speed to zero?

You can only set the speed to zero if you select zero speed and send it to the TDC.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Urge (Post 1462818)
I took several screenshots, converted them and uploaded them to Photobucket but I am unhappy with the results. I am going to add one to this post just to make sure I have a clue and try for better pics later after I come back from a wake.

sample pic

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/a...110911_203.jpgUrge

Well, apparently I don't have a clue. How do I make this appear as a full size pic?

Don't use the 'CODE' option, just use a picture box like you did. That screenshot looks fine as far as course goes.


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