I already sent the strongest message possible, by not giving them my 60$. I doubt the Ubi suits read the Ubi forums or take anything being said there seriously.


And that makes me wonder, when somebody (who supposedly owns the game) posts only about 'the haters' and never about the actual game, just who is the obsessed one? :hmmm:

I will never understand this attitude. Is like me entering in a Ferrari shop and start bitching about their car and claiming that my Porsche is way better than their red piece of crap so I will never buy a Ferrari. And? Who the *beep* care?!

I do not compare Ferrari nor Porsche with SH5, is just a quick example.. I really hate Ferrari, but I never expressed my opinion about it on their forums, shops or fan community. Is pointless and dumb.

Anyway, I will not continue to argue as seems like I'm the only one bothered by this stuff here. Carry on.

We've alread had a thread comparing Silent Hunter to cars.:D

It's not a very good example. This is more like Porsche releasing a new car that has nothing but problems. Ninety percent of the people who bought it complain about it. So I post that my 1970 911 is way better than their new piece of crap. That's the better example.

That said, I want SH5 to succeed. And I wll buy it once the chains are gone, if that ever happens.

But saying people shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions is encouraging tyrrany. Saying you don't think they should post their opinions? I'll support that. You should be able to say anything you like.

No, it's much more like a Ferrari expert, lover and owner of previous models, going in a Ferrari shop and complaining because this new model is falling apart and not worthy of the name Ferrari.

I've always liked Aston Martin's myself:03:

Seriously though.

You can't stop people posting their opinions - that's just madness , the day that happens in Subsim I'm off.

The whole point of a forum is for people to discuss their differing opinions.

What ticks me off however, is certain people who make claims about the game I.E. bugged, flawed, unplayable etc etc without actually trying the game first.

In other words reporting hearsay as fact - that's what I object to.

Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you that we don't "hate" SH5, in fact we all would love to have SH5 and that is why people are so angry about the issues, in particular UPlay.

I find it sad on a supposedly mature forum like Subsim, that so many posters have adopted this attitude that because Ubi decided my money wasn't as good as yours and Australians by and large weren't worthy of playing their game and then threw me and thousands like me under the bus, you should drink their kool-aid and also say I have no right to post here about a genre of gaming I love and have loved for nearly two decades now.

Why? Because Ubi put in place a system where I can't play the game?

Why would I buy a game I cannot play for no reason other than someone says I'm not important enough for the privilege?

But then hey it is fitting that Ubisoft would discriminate against guys who want to spend just a little time and play a game when spending months on end in Afghanistan isn't it? Can't have us enjoying the same small luxuries as the keyboard warriors and internet tough-guys back home...

I hope you enjoy SH5 in your comfortable study in Europe, because the guys standing on the wall keeping your sorry arse safe can't.

Oke, then let me put it in this way. I have a Ferrari and something is not right with it, just last day a redneck with a noname car managed to own me on the highway. So I come back to the shop to smash their heads because selling me a "bugged" car. But what a surprise.. the shop is full with Porsche fans who already set the shop in the flame and they are bitching about .. Ferrari. Why? Because they love to race, but they consider that Ferrari is not able to build a competitive sport car. O.O

My advice, give up on 1 or 2 burgers and buy the game. Yes, is that cheap now. Play it, test it then come back and post your opinion and what really bothers you and makes you game experience to be a bad one. I love SH5 and I would spend another 50 EUR on it if I should to do it for any reason. But it bothers me that is very bugged and most of all.. there is NONE who can fix it. And these idiots from Ubi don't give a frak about me, their legit customer :((

My simphaty and compassion for those who can't play the game because they don have a stable internet connection. But my compassion is because you guys don't have access to the internet in the 21 century, that's really sad.

That I can sympathize with. Been burned a few times, even found that one of my favorite titles was completely unsupported after some legalities took the game away from the devs (gold master, source code, everything). The publisher locked everything down and didn't even bother to put up a forum -- no ties to their customer base whatsoever. Needless to say, that game had died long before I ever found it on the store shelf. Quite obvious that the dev team was very much put out by the whole ordeal, too. :-?

There are people who can fix the game in this community however, they can't legally. You see, the tool that created the SH5 files is available and usable, but without being a license holder you'd see yourself in court before you could scratch your butt, if you ever released a fix/altered file.

Which is another gripe of mine. The statement that "SH5 is the most moddable in the series" is laughable to say the least.:down:

Now, it is a little different from your conclusion about the situation. If people that were loyal customers and bought the previous releases of SH, but now stay away, then Ubissoft will likely feel that. That is if there are fewer new gamers attracted to this game (maybe the targeted "casual/arcade gamers") then old hands staying away from it waiting for an improvement. And that is quite likely given the fact that SH is a niche type game. So if many people have voted with their walled so far, chances are Ubi may start to think the situation over. The major question is only: Will they attribute the finding to the right cause, or put it down to easy excuses like "economic downturn", "pirates" etc.? (Note that this discussion comes without a car: But assume that 50% of the Ferrari owners would in the future not buy another Ferrari anymore, for whatever reasons-- Could that be a signal?)

You see, that's what I've been saying all along. There have been loads of posters here who talk about the online protection, how wrong it is , how they're not going to (or can't) buy the game until it's removed - all of which I sympathise with.

Trouble is - how many of those same posters have taken the next step and actually told UBI how they feel ?

I know of 2.

It would take just a few minutes to e mail UBI and tell them exactly what's what - so why is no-one doing it? Until you contact UBI - they'll put the low sales down to it being a niche game , pirates , economic downturn, invaders from mars etc etc etc.

They don't even read their own forums - what makes you think they read ours?

So .. wait a minute. Then GWX for SH3 was something illegal.. or..?

Here - I'll make it easier for you guys:

UBISOFT
1st Floor, Chertsey Gate East,
London Street,
Chertsey, Surrey, KT16 8AP


Drop them a line and tell them how you feel. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain:up:

:haha: Nope. SH3 & SH4 use a different SDK and, in most part, are open source creations. Therefore creating/developing tools for that platform for the mods released is no biggie at all. DAT format is easily createable using freely available tools.

SH5 however, is a completely different beast. The tool used to create the bulk of SH5 files is closed source and was always designed that way. The ONLY way to alter/read/tweak/create these files is by using the source code from the SDK. There's no way around that.

The SDK used for SH5 is utilised in many PC games and a HUGE amount of Console games. The reason? Because the studios know that the file structure can't be modified/altered and re-released. They like that security.

TBH, I reckon UBI went this path initially with the view to bring SH5 to consoles as the coding and architecture could be easily ported thanks to the SDK used. ;)

Two things. First off, two of the seven poll questions begin with "I haven't bought this game" and secondly, :har:

That's ridiculous. There are many here like me, who are tracking the progress of SH5 and haven't decided to buy it yet, due to the state it's in. What's more, some of us, like me, have been playing the precursor games like SHIII and SH4 for years. We have an investment of time and money in the series up to this point, as well as participation in the subsim community (although until this release, I was more active on the Ubi forum). For anyone who has played SH3 and SH4 extensively over the years, it's easy to make judgments based on hearing what others are experiencing with this release. And judgments naturally lead to public comments.

If there is any faint chance that Ubi is paying attention to what's said on forums like this, the people here who don't yet own SH5 might serve as leverage to continue the patch releases (and/or make a change in the DRM method). We're people with money in our pockets, waiting to buy the game. We can't be leverage for a better game, if we keep our collective mouths shut.

Despite my strong reservations about DRM I eventually did buy the game ($15 + SH) online. Even at that relatively small price I feel cheated.
What's the point of playing a game that doesn't really work?
The only thing going for this game is the visual panorama. It is fabulous. However, you can only ride on top of the sub for so long before you want to play it- and then it falls apart.
I am not just disappointed with the patch, I am angry. The continual delays, the false promises, and a result that marginally improves on the original. It is disgraceful, and a slap in the face to the purchasers who had faith in the company and the devs. The modders can only do so much, and if it is the company's policy to shove the product out the door half-finished expecting it to be cleaned up by the modders.....
I will take back my words if the company plans another patch to fix SH5, but I'm not holding my breath.
Too little, too late.

But have you contacted UBI and told them how you feel guys?

Otherwise - what's the point?

I have not contacted UBI directly, but I presume the devs watch these forums and provide feedback to the company. There again, I'm probably delusional.