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Sailor Steve 03-04-10 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1293277)
Source?

I see no evidence of this on any kind of scale.

I don't think it's fair to make vague accusations of hypocrisy without some evidence.

I'm not accusing anybody of anything. In fact pretty much everybody who has posted saying they got it anyway has recieved nothing but praise from me.

As for evidence, people are posting all the time saying "this number of people are doing that", and you don't seem to have questioned them.

But since I'm supposedly special, I'll apologise once again for overstating my case.

On the other hand, do you have a guess on the 'revenues' question I was addressing?

Farinhir 03-04-10 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1293277)
Source?

I see no evidence of this on any kind of scale.

I don't think it's fair to make vague accusations of hypocrisy without some evidence.

Agreed. I still have not bought SH5 or AC2, and I am still active on the UBI forums in protest of this DRM. It is less out of principle, and more due to the fact that my internet fails all the time. Although, I do consider myself a person with whom their word is their bond. If I were to break that bond I would not be an ethical person in my view.

talonclawz 03-04-10 08:27 PM

I have no intention of purchasing this game as long as Ubisoft has their draconian DRM attached to it. If someone comes out with a crack to bypass their DRM, I might consider purchasing it, but with all the posts from people saying how poor the game is, I might just pass for good. Seems like the Romanians can't do anything right. SH3 was the last good game in the series. SH4 had issues even after the last patch and I just quit playing it. This one seems like a total dud. Downhill ever since SH3 it seems. Plus, I have no intention of supporting the Ubisoft nazis and their DRM. Ever. I held my ground on MW2 and refused to buy it for PC due to the absence of dedicated servers. I also refused to buy AC2 due to the same nazi DRM they are using here, even though I played the original and really enjoyed it. They will NOT get my money.

Ducimus 03-04-10 08:47 PM

Dunno if someone posted this or not, but it's a hoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cmpY_sY5K4

Herodotus 03-04-10 08:57 PM

I went ahead and got it (kind of an early Birthday pressie for myself...that was my excuse, anyway). At the moment I'm more confused than anything:o.
Only one or two of the original keyboard commands are the same, so in the heat of battle you hit what would normally be view left, and your rudder turns one point. Hit enter to fire a torpedo and you unlock your view of the target. Why they had to go and mess with a formula that has survived every iteration of the title is beyond me, and has the official forums ablaze:rock:.
The graphics are a mixed bag. On the whole I'd have to say - console port (and it's not even available on console:doh:
).
As for the DRM...not a problem so far, but loading a mission or saved game can take 1-2 minutes+. One thing that is very jarring - no swastikas (just an Iron Cross). They might be banned in Romania, but they aren't in Australia.
I won't go on, as I would actually very much like to think this is a game with promise.
Fellow submariners...notice I said GAME, as this is not a sub sim at all.

theluckyone17 03-04-10 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1293264)
Since it appears that half the people who said they wouldn't buy it already have, probably not.

For what it's worth, I still haven't bought it. Nor has my wife bought it :D. I've been pitching a fit about the DRM for long enough that even she knows enough not to buy it for me, too. :nope:

If it wasn't for the DRM, I'd be picking it up ASAP.

TarJak 03-04-10 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thruster (Post 1291342)
"If you are online then you shouldnt have problems as long as ubi servers are up, however one cannot play the game legally when they travel/are offline etc this is where this drm really hurts."

Im very glad that those with a stable home base and blessed with good internet are happy. honestly i am. i really want SH5 to be a great success cos i have worried about the genre survival.

however i feel that DJSatane has summed it up for me with his comment above. i travel heaps for work. internet is either non-existent or utterly 3rd world ****e. because i cannot play solo off line this policy effectively excludes me from playing this awesome game.

whilst i accept that i am obviously in the minority it doesnt make it less frustrating. for everyone else; unlike your 'Amex travellers cheques', you may as well leave home without it.

You are not alone. This is the major reason why I don't intend to buy the game until a patch to remove OSP has been released.

The problem when travelling is not restricted to there being none or poor internet availability, the problem is when travelling that any internet access can hideously expensive. I was in a hotel last week where internet access could be purchased in 1 hour increments for $5.00 ea or get a whole day for $15! Extortion at its best and therefore as my company is footing the bill I only use these sorts of connections for work and only when absolutely necessary.

Trying to find free WiFi can be a bugger as well, depending on where in the world you are.

Without the net this game is merely lost data storage space. I'm hanging onto my $100 until it gets removed officially.

Ships-R-Us 03-04-10 10:24 PM

Ubisoft needs cash flow and released SH5.

Aside from the "Realism" geeks, and the "hardcome subsimmers" represented at Subsim.com, which maybe represents 10% of Ubisofts sales.....

90% of Ubisofts sales are a new smash hit amongst all the moms, dads, and kids worldwide, as they all get "immersed" in their own "realistic" world of family activity together.

I'm going to run next door and play with that family rather than listen to the kids whine at Subsim.

Reminds me of the selfish bitc..... that threw back the engagement ring because it wasn't big enough.

Iron Budokan 03-04-10 10:36 PM

I decided not to buy this game way before I even heard about DRM. I still haven't bought it and I have no plans to buy it for the foreseeable future until many of these problems are corrected. And even then...who knows? :O:

BlackSpot 03-04-10 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan (Post 1294523)
I decided not to buy this game way before I even heard about DRM. I still haven't bought it and I have no plans to buy it for the foreseeable future until many of these problems are corrected. And even then...who knows? :O:

I can't wait to see what you decide to do ... :yawn:

gutted 03-05-10 02:53 AM

Still can't get the launcher to understand that i dont want to save my games onto the server. Everytime i get to the main menu, it syncs my save games. A few times, it said failed to sync, and i have to reload.

Also, I've had about 5 disconnects so far, probably just my ISP, but while the game says to wait for a reconnect.. i ALT-TAB out and check my browser, and I can surf the web just fine. Go figure.

Only once though has it failed to reconnect, and i had to dump back to the main menu losing progress. I did notice however since the launcher was updated... the last time i got a connection problem the game immediately saved itself. Saved it as AutoSave_Reconnect or something like that. I didn't need to use it though, because it reconnected itself after about 5 seconds.

Maybe it's my ISP, maybe it's the router im using who knows. But as far as this whole thing being transparent.. it's not for me.

piri_reis 03-05-10 12:20 PM

Small report: Been 4 days playing this with my shady cable connection, DRM hasn't given me any problems.
I don't like the scheme
, don't want to upload/sync my saves(I know how to turn it off) but I was expecting at least a few disconnections due to DRM, nothing yet.

ENtek-IO 03-05-10 02:51 PM

Between Tarjaks and ships R us was my Post where has it gone to???

Guys i got a copy of it and i will re-post it in 5 hours ok? has someone the nerve to explain to me what happened and why??.

I am prity sure i didnt attack anyone in person so wtf!!!??? Are we wandering now on UBis ways here or what?

Onkel Neal 03-05-10 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENtek-IO (Post 1296015)
Between Tarjaks and ships R us was my Post where has it gone to???

Guys i got a copy of it and i will re-post it in 5 hours ok? has someone the nerve to explain to me what happened and why??.

I am prity sure i didnt attack anyone in person so wtf!!!??? Are we wandering now on UBis ways here or what?


Before you wtf yourself into oblivion, read the rules here, please. Be sure when you make your post you do not step across that line.

FAQ & Rules: they have been here longer than you, and they keep this forum from becoming a zoo like most others.

best reagrds
Neal

http://www.subsim.com/2010_02/master...der_poster.jpg

ENtek-IO 03-05-10 06:48 PM

Ironic i am site Admin myself,i know exactly what i wrote , wtf , i used the very moment my post got axed.
I would like to know what was so offending in that post , maybe in form of a PM?
Otherwise i would face the possibility while i reformulate this post to trip the same trap again.

Best Regards.

PS"there was nothing anarchistic in that post.":salute:

Ok i re read the forum rules,based on this i would say,my post wasn't exactly deescalating the atmosphere regardless of how indirect it was.
Which is not ok.

Please accept my excuse.

ENteK-IO

tomwhite56 03-05-10 06:59 PM

Nope! Not even. As if. I'm so sure.
 
I never buy games new in any case. I figure the game is going to be at least as good if not better due to patches a year from now, and lots cheaper. It's like the idea of buying Windows 7 prior to at least the first Service Pack. Who in the world???

But my refusal to buy the game with the online DRM is definitely a principles question. You shouldn't have to rely on an internet connection to play a game, unless it's an online (multiplayer) game, period. It's very Big Brother of them. I'll be glad to install the game with the registration key that comes with the game, but if, for instance, I want to shut down my internet connection so I can turn off Firewall and close my virus protection to get the most out of my system, I have the right to do it. Never mind if I shouldn't have to or not. It has to do with MY RIGHTS as a consumer.

So I will NOT be buying SH5 as long as the online DRM is required.

:rock:

Fubar2Niner 03-05-10 07:32 PM

@tomwhite56

First up and most importantly, welcome aboard. Second 'I did in the world buy win 7' and so far so good re win 7 :03: Totally agreed as are many others regarding the DRM debacle, game is cracked including the update which on looking round the posts, still leaves many issues unaddresed. So what the hell use is the DRM ?

Stickiing with SH3 and the worlds best modders, for now.

If and when UBI drops the stupid DRM idea, fixes the bugs, and opens the game up to those that really care, ie. the modders. And those, that like me rely on them for their enthusiasm and willingness to detail, fix the devs/publishers (mishaps). Mishaps which are payed for I have to add. Then perhaps I will buy the game, then again , SH 8 will have raised it's periscope and we'll be in a cold war era........................... ?



Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

Onkel Neal 03-05-10 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENtek-IO (Post 1296498)
Ironic i am site Admin myself,i know exactly what i wrote , wtf , i used the very moment my post got axed.
I would like to know what was so offending in that post , maybe in form of a PM?
Otherwise i would face the possibility while i reformulate this post to trip the same trap again.

Best Regards.

PS"there was nothing anarchistic in that post.":salute:

Ok i re read the forum rules,based on this i would say,my post wasn't exactly deescalating the atmosphere regardless of how indirect it was.
Which is not ok.

Please accept my excuse.

ENteK-IO


Sure man, PM me your post and I'll look at it.

ERPP8 03-05-10 07:44 PM

I keep forgetting that it's there:D:D:arrgh!:

Fubar2Niner 03-05-10 07:50 PM

@ERPP8

What is where? More to the point where is What ?

Best regards

Fubar2Niner


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