I LOVED it, yes it had flaws... I had to giggle at Chekov (sp?) with his pretty bad accent. On the whole I really enjoyed it, I actually want to go and see it again lol. By the way, I hated the new warp effect.... the blue ball behind the warp nacelles... why couldn't they keep the original effect?


Thing I hated the most.......

Photon torpedoes are RED not freakingBLUE! Those are quantam torpedoes you fools! lol :damn:.


Live long and prosper! :salute:





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If in this timeline they know that the Romula's star will go nova from the older Spock, can't they just get there a bit quicker do what Spock wanted to do in the first place, Nero wouldn't havea motive and thus the original timeline would be restored with Vulcan never have been destroyed, because nero would never have gone back to alter it..... ????

Actually Photons Torpedoes in the TOS era were blue and had a MUCH bigger punch than the ENT or TNG counterparts. The red ones are different in that they are much more maneuverable and MUCH faster and can fire at warp.

And spock diddn't cause the Nova. He did his best to try to warn the romulans about it. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown

BTW Dont you get it? THe whole idea of this movie was to "Preserve" The old trek by using Late TNG tech to create another "Star Trek" Timeline that isnt some temporary thing to be fixed. The writers get access to this new trek while the trekkies and ST Online have access to the old trek. Its perfect!

Fair enough, I thought they were always red :damn:. I meant that Spock arrived too late to use the matter bomb on the sun.... so now he could get there quicker to stop the nova happening and thus changing the timeline. I understand why they did it, and it is genius... they get to do what they like without fear of conflicting with something in the original timeline... thus preventing any conflict with the fan base over story lines.

The countdown comic explains the sun issue completely and Memory Alpha describes the comics well tho I plan to buy all 4 of em for my collection.

And yes it is genius. The old trekkies were getting ready to admit that Star Trek was not going to survive effectively in the future. This prevents that.

This will also really open the way for more fan works. And as computer tech gets better and video tech trickles down. The fan works are getting better than ever!

Not to mention gaming.

+/- The first time they were red (big discution when the enterprise got torpedos in TOS due to what is said in TNG episodes and the location of the launchers is also something, like were was scotty engine room in ROS)! Then white/blue. In the motion picture they were blue again! One can argue diffrent types and diffrent special effects!:D

Me thinks you all drink too much romulan ale muhahahahaa. :()1:

And I drink, I'm drinking right know to forgett the movie!:()1: http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/drink/trink14.gif

As I mentioned, I prefer not to even think about the 2 Spocks, just hurts my head.

I have to wonder about the original plan though???

Consider a few other items:

Given the planet is fully populated and the Romulan sun is about to go supernova and fry all the poor habitants of Romulus... Is creating a black hole where the sun used to be really gonna save em? :hmmm:

Spock was stranded, I believe, on a moon of Vulcan (Hoth I think it was :03:). He watches from the moon as Vulcan gets sucked into a black hole, but apparently neither the gravitational pull of Vulcan or the black hole is strong enough to pull in Hoth? :hmmm:

I guess they were special black holes that were just big enough to pull in a planet and then they disappear.

Love it or hate it,
Lets give it a :yeah:
Its fresh,its New,
After watching the movie at the local cinema,
went home,my 10 yr old son asks?
Dad where is that Star Trek Collection you have?
goes to his room with it,
there is the effect of the movie,,
Its Fun,
Long may it last :salute:

Finally got to see it tonight! (Had to wait for my daughter to finish her semester so we could all see it together). I've been avoiding this thread for a week, now I can relax and read spoilers :)

Anything Star Trek is always a pro for me, and being old school TOS fan, I am glad the new movie did not have the Next Gen vibe. They filled out the characters well, the actors playing Kirk, Scotty, Spock, and McCoy were gold. No one can replicate the intensity and devotion to duty and ship that was Shatner, but Pine did ok. Zachary Quinto played Spock very well, too.

It was fast paced, which is sorta good, it builds excitement, but not much suspence. The old series always had time for Kirk to bluff and BS his way around, this movie moved at warp speed.

Ack, I hate time travel storylines! I've been staggering through LOST, and now Trek starts all kinds of capers with time travel. Close my eyes, it will go away...

The score was rousing but so much so, it kinda distracted me. I guess when you get older, you begin to pick up on music cues too easily. This is the regretful music, here's the ha-ha cute comment music, oh! THIS is the earth at stake battle music... I liked it, but I think they overdid it a little, and besides, can anything beat the music scores from the original series. That stuff was great!

Big thumbs down on blowing up Vulcan Why not kill off Earth while you're at it? :x

Also, while I'm griping, stop messing with warp speed. It ain't like hyperdrive or whatever they did in Star Wars. You can accelerate from sub-light to Warp One, and on up to Warp Six (Eight in emergencies, like trying to beat a yellow light or a train) seemlessly, without losing contact with the rest of the Universe.

Haha, I love the new bridge (but I can see where it could use a little more color besides Apple white) and I see they kept the miniskirts!

The effects were superb, both in technical proficiency and in application. The scene when Enterprise warped around Vulcan, the great, majestic view of Enterprise rising from the dust of Titan, and the hammering action shots of Enterprise to the rescue. Awesome to look at. Some of the aliens were too weird for us, give me humanoids any day, weird aliens stand out too much.

The plot was very similar to several exisitng Trek stories, nothing really earth shattering, but serviceable. I hope they put more effort into a really good story for the sequel, now that they have the characters introduced. Yes, we have seen the Earth under attack a million times, this is space shuttle territory, let's get Trek back out in the galaxy where it belongs, exploring strange, new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizationsm, and boldly going where no man has gone before (that's right, I said man). Gimme some morality plays and hit some philiosphical notes next time. And more alien women for Kirk.


The movie was good, very entertaining, and we enjoyed it. Seven dilithium crystals out of ten. :up:

Star Trek will last thanks to this.

Most Trekkies like it because with this the existing storyline is preserved.

A few that Don't like it call themselves trekkies but to me are more like people who argue over which year the football team had the best defence instead of argueing why their team is better than the other. You cant please them unless you reran the exact episodes exactly as they aired before. Not saying all who don't like it are that way but it is that way for a few.

This is an image from someone on the Star Trek Online forums showing what happened in "Star Trek (2009)"

This is the AST

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/c.../timeline6.jpg

This is not just some fantasy idea either. This is the modern way to demonstrate that time travel to the past is possible without "Back to the Future" type events.

Without "Branching" there is no time travel to the past period.

What I find amusing is all the arguments over the science of, and fidelity to TOS. Desilu did what they could on a very limited budget and special effects. TOS was also full of big mistakes, like warping to the sun from earth over several minutes, to travel back in time. :har: I knew that was BS when I was twelve and loving the show as it first aired.

Science and reason get tossed out the window when keeping a plot, or lack of one, moving. And, given that most people can't tell you the difference between our solar system and galaxy, who cares. Just suspend your concept of the universe and enjoy it for what it is, entertainment.

Buddahaid

That is the major (And extremely rare) argument being made for the change of the size of the ship.

But also you have to look at the time. They could have made the enterprise able to destroy planets and have missiles that could penetrate shields or whatever. But Star Trek explored a more peaceful solution to many issues which is what everyone desired in the cold war.

But as the story progressed you just had to put in stronger adversaries that do not care if you have a nuke or photon torpedo. by the time ENT came around the norm was battle then have a peaceful settlement of the situation.

The ship has to be bigger and stronger because that is what Trek is today.

That is one of the rare things to "Just happen" in the new movie. Everything else is a result of the image above.

You know what, I am tired of the next bad guy having to top the last one, be badder, have a wierder costume, have the bigger ship, destroy that planet that much fast. Next they will throw in the Doomsday Machine ala duce and a half size, swallow entire solar systems in a single pass, being ridden by some alien madman, with an exhast port as the only means to destroy it or some action centered BS. Don't get me wrong, action is necessary, but there is a way to do it with what is at hand, just as it has been going with everything being over the top.

It would have been blasephomy before, but was touched on in DS9, but I can see these two thoughts of what Star Trek is becoming having a good on screen battle that is not devoid of intellectual contemplation as this movie was. (Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it for what it was, and in and of itself. But taken as a whole, it was but a shadow of its predecessor. Like a kid trying to put on adult shoes. It's cute; fun to watch; but not the real thing.) The Youth oriented, shoot first, ask questions later, conquer by force of will and young unending labedo fighting for dominance of Starfleet and the spirit of the Federation over the older, wiser, more thoughtful and peaceful explorers of a generation overlooked. Say the difference between a young butter bar who leads his platoon over the top for the direct assault, as compared to the older captain who leads his element to flank the enemy to destroy their supply line and reduce their will and ability to fight. (Maybe this is why I might have been part of the minority who disliked seeing Picard becoming Kirk-Lite in the movies (I didn't need to see him win the girl, or fight hand to hand, etc.))

I like this one more:

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9113/stxicanon1.gif


and also this one:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5566/stxikirkpike1.jpg

:haha:

by ex-astris-scientia, Bernd Schneider's!

wow that Y axis on that graph is highly subjective there .... :yawn:

It's a person site with his opinions! But most of what the creator of that site says and presents, are quite good and with solid bases! And one can always agree or not!

"We do not argue tastes!";)

Ah you hit it on the mark. See they're attracting new younger blood so they show that younger adults know more than the older veterans. Why they shoot first and still don't ask questions. Thinking is optional.. :haha: Firing weapons is much easier.. :woot:

Also its mostly about money so they're going to get the new generation attached thinking there immortals hehehe.

I get that impression that the next generation viewers are telling us oldino's to shutup and move on its our movie now.. Thats perfectly fine by me. I prefer the older cheezy startrek anyday. :yeah:

You know, many of the more devoted TNG/DS9/VOY fans that have been lurking on the ST Boards that I visit, even long after the shows went off air, and long before this new movie came out have their reservations. Therefore, I believe it unfair to blame this on the generation that grew up with the above mentioned shows. These new fans whom have fully embraced this movie are more those, IMHO, who grew up when ENT was messing with the Cannon, all be it in a slightly more improved way every preceding season, and lived in its absence, only to find enjoyment in Firefly/Serenity and the re imagined BSG.

Don't get me wrong they were both enjoyable in their own right, but they didn't have the core philosophy that was developed in...(gotta go continue this later)