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Spoon 11th

12-24-08 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

It was a big giant moose near Pönttövuori.

Bewolf

12-24-08 10:53 AM

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What gives? Christians tried this stuff for the last 2000 years. Luckily they can't burn ppl they don't agree with anymore, the enlightment at last finally got rid of that madness.
I have always considered christians the biggest hypocrits in the world. They love to throw around the morale argument, but I yet have to find a christian that actually lives by jesus teachings, a man, if he really existed as described by the book, I respect for what he attempted. He probably was the worlds first humanist. Can't see subman present his cheek after he was hit on the other, though. Modesty certainly fell out of fashion in christiandom since jesus' death.

Unluckily that can't be said by many (luckily by far not all) of his followers. Ignorant, hating ppl who snipe for everything not fitting their world view. These Christians talking about morality is like fantatic communists or fashists praising freedom and democracy. It's such a contradiction it's laughable.

You make a good point, but the reference of the smiting on the cheek deal with what is called an orientalism, being a mid east book written by mid easterners you have to know the culture. This is in reference to an insult and not an actually smiting. To touch someone on the cheek with the left hand is an insult, so the story teaches that one is to not trade insult for insult.

*nods* one never stops learning. That does not take anything away from the comparison, however.

Letum

12-24-08 12:00 PM

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[...] imagine, for a moment, the concept of infinity. If fact, solve it. Of course, you can't. Despite the fact that anything other than infinity cannot be comprehended, infinity itself cannot be comprehended either.[...]

That is where you have lost me.
I believe I have a perfectly good concept of the infinite. Why wouldn't I?
There is nothing magical or mysterious about an infinite length, volume, set of numbers
or any other boundless value.

Zayphod

12-24-08 12:42 PM

I know this is probably way off topic for this thread, but what exactly DOES an anthiest yell at orgasm? It's certainly NOT going to be "OH GOD!". :rotfl:

Merry CHRISTmas, all!

Digital_Trucker

12-24-08 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

Wipe the smug off that smiley's face and explain where all the matter, anti-matter, dark energy and everything else that went into the Big Biang came from:D

Same answer to both questions, namely, "we don't have a freakin' clue" Asking a question that there is no answer to doesn't prove anything except that we don't know the answer.

Morts

12-24-08 01:17 PM

Subman, do you actually have any proof that jesus exists ?
and i mean solid proof, not just some book written 1500 years (or whatever) ago
and before you discredit me like you do with everyone else you dont see eye to eye with, ive been to church, ive read the bible, and i just dont find it beliveable that there is s'posed to be someone almighty who created everything nor do i belive in heaven or hell

Mikhayl

12-24-08 01:20 PM

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So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

Exactly, though science is more likely to ever explain that than god let alone religion :smug:

Digital_Trucker

12-24-08 01:28 PM

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So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

Exactly, though science is more likely to ever explain that than god let alone religion :smug:

Wipe the smug off again:D, once science explains where that matter came from, how will it explain where whatever came before that came from. It's never ending and will never be explained. It had to come from somewhere, but where did that somewhere come from? We could do this all day, but it's Christmas Eve and I must leave to go to the in-laws and celebrate the birth of the son of the God which cannot be proven. I hope (really, no sarcasm intended) you enjoy the holidays.:yep:

Frame57

12-24-08 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zayphod

I know this is probably way off topic for this thread, but what exactly DOES an anthiest yell at orgasm? It's certainly NOT going to be "OH GOD!". :rotfl:

Merry CHRISTmas, all!

That is a good one:rotfl: I wondered what an atheist funeral would be like..."Here lies Granpa, Uh, ummm, he is decomposing...":D

Morts

12-24-08 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

Exactly, though science is more likely to ever explain that than god let alone religion :smug:

where did god come from then ?
something had to make him cause nothing + nothing = nothing
he cant have been there from the dawn of times, cause something had to have created him, same with his creator, and his

Digital_Trucker

12-24-08 01:37 PM

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So, assuming there's a god who created all that, who created him in the first place ? :smug:

Exactly, though science is more likely to ever explain that than god let alone religion :smug:

Crap, I didn't leave fast enough. I never said that anyone knows where God came from. I only stated that science also does not know where the matter that is involved in it's hypothesis came from, and it never will because it's all an infinite process. Who can find the beginning of infinity?

Letum

12-24-08 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Morts

Subman, do you actually have any proof that jesus exists ?

There is plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed. That is rarely disputed.
It's when things get supernatural that the disagreement tends to start.

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That is a poor argument against god because it is a good argument against the existence of anything and everything.
It is clearly not the case that nothing exists.

antikristuseke

12-24-08 01:44 PM

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I know this is probably way off topic for this thread, but what exactly DOES an anthiest yell at orgasm? It's certainly NOT going to be "OH GOD!". :rotfl:

Merry CHRISTmas, all!

That is a good one:rotfl: I wondered what an atheist funeral would be like..."Here lies Granpa, Uh, ummm, he is decomposing...":D

"quite unlike the generations after him, I must add. We, children, do not decompose so easily due to all the preservants we have consumed during our lifetimes"

Morts

12-24-08 01:44 PM

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Subman, do you actually have any proof that jesus exists ?

There is plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed. That is rarely disputed.
It's when things get supernatural that the disagreement tends to start.

thats what i meant

Dowly

12-24-08 01:59 PM

Care to share any links to the proog that Jesus did exist? :hmm: I'm kind of suprised about the "plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed" part as I've never heard anything solid.Ow yeh, and if any of this evidence is found in the Bible, it doesnt count. There's still parts missing from the different versions and stories of bible, so it just might be that one of the lost stories says at the end "Ow yeh, all this was just my imagination. Signed: Mullah, Drunken Sheppard. Gotcha!"

longam

12-24-08 02:05 PM

If there is one thing I'm sure about is we will all know the truth eventually.

AngusJS

12-24-08 02:24 PM

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However, atheism is of itself a specific belief. One can no more disprove the existance of a deity than prove one - thus is the very nature of the debate, as it were. Atheism, by its very nature is not tolerant of any other belief system. It quite simply postulates that it is the correct system, thereby clearly implying that all others are wrong. This argument holds similarly true for most religions.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. It's the same as not believing in astrology. It's just that there is no word "nonastrologer" that can be unfairly stuck with all sorts of negative connotations.

Humanism, skepticism and antitheism can go along with atheism, but it is not necessary to hold those beliefs to be an atheist.

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Quite franky, I find atheism to have more in common with religion than agnostisicm does.

Where are the atheists who claim to be the sole dispensers of The Truth, based in some way on The Book, and who retreat to the impregnable fortress of the Sanctity and Mystery of Faith when questioned?

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However, the ATHEIST, in very much the same way as a deist, can have varying levels of tolerence for another system of belief. That being said, I personally find the actions of the more zealous atheists to be consistant with the actions of the more zealous deists. In other words, atheism seems to be becoming a religion unto itself.

The bottom line is this: if you're an atheist who holds the belief that there is nothing to believe regarding a deity, then you truly have nothing to proclaim. There is no god, that's the way it is, so why talk about nothing?

We can talk about religion.

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But, when you begin peddling your atheism, you become exactly what you are supposedly opposing - a belief system. At least in the popular terms.

What you're talking about is antitheism, which one can accept or reject based on evidence. And by your logic, only adherents of a faith can criticize elements of that faith. Which is a bit difficult to accept after 9/11.

Fish	12-24-08 03:56 PM

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Causing a firestorm. Of course no one has been able to refute the points of the article, but I must admit, its entertaining to watch you scuffle! :up:

-S

What points? :hmm:

Fish	12-24-08 04:17 PM

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I'm afraid some of you have not looked death in its eyes, known sheer terror....and what it means to meet your maker......when you're staring death down, what are you going to do...........cry for your mommy?

Thats church policy, making you afraid.

Letum

12-24-08 04:21 PM

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http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Non...ences_to_Jesus

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