I cannot understand :hmmm:, I knew the developers of this game went bankrupt , do you think is still possible to buy this T34 vs tiger Game ? , thank you for the answer

Is it wise to even want that...? :hmmm: ;)

You have to assume that it is a dead end you invest your money in.

There are better alternatives:

Steel Fury, if WWII setting is a must for you (same bancrupt publisher, though).
SBP, if you are longing for the full package and tanking hardcore realism.
And "Kharkow 1943" in developement - it remains to be seen how it turns out to be.

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I hope I must not explain this.

Whole-heartedly disagree. For what TvT is, it is worth every penny. I would have paid $100+ for what I got. It is GORGEOUS, the fighting is fantastic, and I have played each mission 20+ times and am still loving it.

Don't give up on TvT - probably the best tank game I've ever played.

I fear you are betting your 100 bucks on a dead horse whose meat is already rotten. The developer was known to have released games before in an unfinished condition and abandoning them immediately, without support. None of them was picked up again by anyone. The distributor is gone, and I think the developer also broke apart meanwhile. The code of TvT has been described to be organised in an unusually complex way, if I got that right, which makes modding it extremely difficult. Interest also is thin, to put it polite. Some enthusiasts will mabye add this or that small cosmetic change, but a complete overhaul is very unlikely, even more so since the copyright also is not invalid but still protected, and will not be abandoned for another couple of years.

Don't hold your breath for TvT, dude, chances are you will run out of air anyway. And for 100 bucks, since you mentioned that number, you can already get SBP (around 90 Euros). And now that is where you get simulation quality and ongoing first-class support, really.

Don't get me wrong, if you spend your money and you like the game, good for you, and this is not to talk you into a depressive mood, but to save you from disappointment. I bet 99:1 that what you hope for simply will not happen. ;)

Everybody else: better think twice before investing your hard-earned money here. Consider that many people both with Vista and XP reported to have been unable to even run the game, both in SP and MP. There have been a very damn lot of complaints.

But that's just it - I'm not "betting" - the product I have, as is, with no further development, is worth over $100 in my book. There are no bugs I've run into that cause any real heartache, and I'm sure with time I'll learn the mission editor and create or alter my own missions in the future for added replay-ability. I knew going into it that there would be no support but I don't care - it hasn't been a problem.

Yes, interest is thin, but with such a specific genre/timeframe, that is to be expected. I'm use to playing games that none of my friends care about. :) No multiplayer out there, but oh well, I enjoy the single player too much anyway.

I'm not sure what you're trying to pound home here. I'm not "holding my breath", DUDE, for anything. My ROI has already paid off - I don't need any further updates or development. I don't need an overhaul. I'm sorry if I mislead you in this direction with my post, but I did not mean anything like that. I simply love the product I have in hand and it will always be a sim I re-visit with each hardware update I buy and I'll play every mission again and again to re-live the stunning visuals, sound, and physics that this game delivers.

TvT has its place for WWII German/Russian armor war fans and always will. There is hardly anything that even holds a candle to what it delivers. I hope others are enjoying it as much as I am!

Bleser,I bought TvT when it first came out and to be honest I didn't like it.I much prefered Steel Fury for my WW2 action.In fact I have never even completed a mission in either the Tiger or T-34.
However your enthusiasm persuaded me to have 'another go' and last night I completed the first Tiger mission and I enjoyed it too.
I take on board what Skybird has said,and he is no doubt right.However,thanks to you I will now try and get my money's worth from this game,or bin it forever.:up:

If so, good for you. But please take into account that many, very many other people who also payed money for this game disagreed with you, and were angry to have wasted their money, as they saw it. I am especially thinking about younger players with limited financial ressources. For them and their limited finances, 30 bucks may be much greater an investement (and a bigger loss and disappointment) than for somebody older who maybe already earns his own money in a regular job and has 1500 or 3000 bucks per month. these less financially capable lads I want to safeguard a bit against being led into what many people agreed to have been a very bad investment for their money.


No, the interest in WWII and tanks is IMMENSE, and the frustration that there is so little choice is big. As a matter of fact most people refusing SBP do so not because of the price tag but because it is post-WWII, and not WWII. My feature on how to use it in WWII style probably did not change that.

TvT has MP, but fact it that it was so very much broken a feature that most people have stopped trying to make it functioning. whcih again speaks against TvT.

I congratulate you on seeing it like that, and I am serious. you already have parted from your money, and if you think it was an investement that is worth it for oyu, the better for you it is.

that depends on personal interests and tatses and what one is looking for when buying a game, but as far as "tank simulation" is concerned you are simply wrong, maybe because you do not have the comparison.

You say you have fun with it and that is what counts for you, and since you say you are happy even without MP (like I am, too, I also do not play any title in MP), it must not worry you that you belong to a minority. So enjoy it! :yeah:

I must add that it greatly helps the I am an extreme WWII tank fan and the best tank "sim" I've played before TvT is Battlefield 1942. And lets get this straight: Battlefield 1942 IS NOT a sim, in any way. BUT, it looked decent and was fun.

After that game I got hooked on Blitzkrieg and Blitzkrieg 2 (and have played/modded Blitzkrieg 1 to death), but those are not actual sims, so they aren't really comparable, either.

Finally you have TvT, the most modern graphics WWII (non-overhaul of some other game) simulator that I have played, and it is everything that I was expecting and more. I knew it was dead-end when I bought it but what I got surprised me and I'm loving it!

BUT - I must add - Steel Fury 1942 is on its way in the mail right now. Everyone has said it is the better title so I'm going to give it a go - and at $8.50 @ Frys.com, I couldn't pass it up. I have a feeling I'm going to love it too, but it's different in that You have T-34/76 vs. Panzer IV F. It'll have its own place in my collection, but the feeling of driving a 1944 Tiger I and T-34/85 I think will remain with TvT for quite some time!

Glad I could inspire you to give it another go! The first Tiger mission is fairly boring. The second one and the "Intercept" mission (fourth I think?) are my two favorite, yet I have still not even played the sixth mission yet. The Intercepting the Enemy mission has the perfect daylight setting to give some stunning visuals and fun with tank position as picking off the attacking Russian armor. :up:

Bleser,

I already understood that you are a WWII buff. and that is okay, every pet has it's favourite toy. me, I am in the high realism and high complexity sim department, resulting in Falcon 4 (complex avioncis and systems) and SBP (complex tactics), but I also like good strategy. Currently I await for the arrival of Battle for Britain II. So, even me accepts WWII as a playground. :)

However, have you considered to add tactics and strategy to your WWII collection? I recommend Conquest of the Aegean; giving you an opposing AI acting so competently that you will swear to deal with a human who came to settle some old business with you (I admit when I play it I expect to get mauled pretty badly), and there is Steel Panthers WWII, which you can legally get for free. The first can be checked out at Matrix' website, the second you see linked in this forum'S resource sticky on Steel Panthers MBT.

Both are no action games, though, but are played from various maps. However, COTA I consider to be a simulation in its way, too, since the units are modelled down to the single man in them, with factors like moral, fatigue, supply state etc, and all this modelled in much detail and with great complexity. Nevertheless it plays fluid. Many consider the AI to be a benchmark. Like SBP, it gets used for military teaching, too, it'S just not that specialised for that kind of audience like SBP is.

Steel Fury, either one likes it or not. I tested it and felt not overly convinced, but it seems to me that it is the much better title when compared to TvT. It has its issues, too, and they could have ironed out some unneeded things if investing just a bit more time into it (sound, AI, pathfinding), but it seems to be more stable, and offers you a greater range of playable missions than TvT, plus mission editor. Somebody even made a quick mission generator, use the search button or check the Steel Fury resource thread, I think I have linked the thread there. Steel Fury found greater acceptance, and the community, though having become very silent, too, has held out for longer than that of TvT. Unfortunytely for our WWII-tank lovers, I constantly had to free the two resource threads for both games of links that had fallen dead meanwhile, with new contributions having stopped to get reported.

T34 vs Tiger Help
 

Despite the bad press that this game has received, most, and I mean most of the problems can be avoided by setting the pc up so that the game can run on it.

I have played for countless hours, both locally and on Gameranger with a tiny number of problems.

If you want to see most of the solutions in English and French :

http://www.hitenter.co.uk/tvt

It will be a shame if this games bites the dust, it really is good, and in multiplayer mode it is totally addictive.

Rob G

Thanks for that Rob,I will go and have a look :up:

Any MP happening with this game?
 

I just picked this game up and found this site (before having read any of the reviews :doh:). I actually don't find the SP levels all that bad but I agree online MP is best. I noticed all the discussion re:problems in MP servers etc. I saw there was a dedicated T34vT site started but it seems to now be defunct. Any recent solutions to these problems or new places to play MP online? Greg. :06:

Anyone know how to take a screenshot?

It says F8 in the manual but it doesn't work for me :(.

I've accidentally taken screenshots when I got annoyed and pressed millions of keys at once, but I can't replicate it while sane!

I'm running T34 v Tiger under vista if that makes any difference.

Thanks :doh:

screenshots are saved in the root directory as bmp files

sample: SH_000.bmp

ROFL! :har:

Dowly I saw you were talking earlier on in the thread about how to go about the third German mission.

What I do (and it's worked pretty well, I can't beat it either, usually because of reasons other than myself)
I jump in the driver's position and head into the town,
where I park the tank behind a building, kind of like leaning out from behind a corner in infantry, I can turn the turret most of the ways so I can engage the Russians coming over the hill. The building keeps you form getting hit on the first shot by those SU-85's and T-34's
On my game the others tend to stay put forcing me to go after them. I would flank them from the right like you said and usually I get a jump on the first two. Then I go after the last three, which is usually where I get killed.
Once I had the first two down and the third started moving, I told the driver to stay put but he took on a mind of his own and started moving. By the time he stopped, we were parked on a tree and I couldn't aim the gun low enough to hit the guy. I was killed amidst smashing the "S" key cussing at the top of my lungs. I think the driver's out to get me, because that wasn't the first time the German driver got me killed (another time was when he wouldn't get behind the building fast enough and I was de-tracked and pulverized by the tanks coming over the hill.)
The Russian driver's pretty competent though:hmmm:

A quick hint -

When trying to get through a lot of trees, go backwards! You can put the Tiger in 4th reverse gear, full throttle, point it in roughly the right direction, then go make a cup of tea.

The trees don't stall your tank in reverse as they do going forward :woot:. They still change your direction and "railway line" you, but at least you can sit back and relax not having to restart your engine each time you hit one! And you can change direction without stalling too.

The highest forward gear for trees is 3rd and you get max 7kmh but still risk stalling, you get upto 8kmh in 4th reverse without being hassled or slowed down, which makes it faster overall.

I left my Tiger going through a forest and went out for about 30 minutes, when I came back he was nearly back to where I started :damn:.

Sorry, another question -

Does anyone know where the game stores individual key settings? I completely uninstalled and deleted the lighthouse folder, but on re-install it kept my mission placings (ie all missions were available), and also some key settings (but not all).

I've searched the entire drive but can't locate anything.

The game loads different settings when I run it with admin privileges or normal user privs!

This is under windows vista home prem 32, sp2.