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Meridian 02-01-08 07:51 AM

I posted the cure for this in post 74 of this thread.

Rockin Robbins 02-01-08 08:49 AM

No joy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meridian
I posted the cure for this in post 74 of this thread.

I tried it both ways. No change. I still have the funky stripe camouflage and the water still has the synchronized parallel waves.

Test results: I can fix the funkiness, although it grows on you after awhile :o

Here's the orginal Rubini settings with no changes except for inserting the 7900GS card. This has 200000000: EA Strategy Games Anti-aliasing compatibility on.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ison/offon.jpg
Well, that's a no-go. But we already knew that. Let's turn that EA compatibility off by unchecking the box:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...son/offoff.jpg
Looks like the stripes might be a bit more contrasty, but no joy in Mudville here. It's time to explore nHancer and find out what I can make worse.:arrgh!: I'll spare all of you the gory details. Then!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...Asettingon.jpg
Normally nHancer just bulldozes (technical term) the game setting with its own. Infrequently this causes weirdness (another technical term). Checking this box uses your settings within the parameters set by the game! Looks promising, so:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ison/onoff.jpg
Yessssssssss!:rock: I have my sub back. Let's pop on that EA compatibility setting we thought was the problem to begin with:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...rison/EAon.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...rison/onon.jpg
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeyes!!!!!! We're back to all of Rubini's gains using the EA compatibility and no tiger boat. Now my only problem is that I have no frame rate gain from my 7600GT and if I had two of them I'd SLI them and have better fps than the 7900GS. Why? Inquiries are in to EVGA.

Fishie 02-01-08 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meridian
I posted the cure for this in post 74 of this thread.

I tried it both ways. No change. I still have the funky stripe camouflage and the water still has the synchronized parallel waves.


Hmmm. I'm sure I'm probably repeating the obvious, but I have had a similar case, so here goes-

Check AS and AA filtering- make sure they are not set any higher then 2x. Anything above that results in strangeness (like a rainbow colored nav map W00T! :ping: )

Another thing is it could be tearing, so check your v-sync and make sure it's selected both in SH and in your Nvidia control panel (force on).

I'm assuming you have the new 169 drivers from the website, right?

What you could also be facing is a probable heat issue. I know my old 7800 did that kind of thing quite a bit when my cooling wasn't up to par.

All things to keep in mind.

Rockin Robbins 02-01-08 10:08 AM

:)
 
Nope, 4x multi-sampling works fine. FPS also went from 30 to 45 to 52 with Photoshop running in the background! All screenshots were at that setting. One failed test from someone else's video follies:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...rineAttack.jpg
OK, I added the Yellow Submarine. All together now! We all live in a yellow sumarine.....

capt_frank 02-01-08 10:58 AM

Ah yes, Peter Max at his best!

Pretty kewl graphics when video cards start their slow spiral of death...:p

Faamecanic 02-13-08 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Funny, I thought everything looked great. I'll try the nhancer and check back. :-?

Why in all our screenie postings do the nVidia cards consistently have better renderings than ATI cards. Time after time ATI owners say that even though they don't see the solar halo they like their images. I have never encountered an nVidia owner saying they have a problem with sun halo, and seldom with any of the other problems mentioned. Color me skeptic, but I'm checking anyway.

Back in the day when I "upgraded" my ATI 7800 PRO to a NVIDIA 6800, I noticed waves in the distance shimmered and were jaggy. I bet this is why... (the compatability mode).

Then when I bought my new rig with twin 8800GTs I still have the crappy wave shimmer/jaggies in the distance, as well as now with SH4 I have a HALO around my sub.

Meridian 02-14-08 03:47 AM

Yeah, I have that luminus white halo at night and just can't get rid of it. Bloody annoying and looks terrible, almost looks as if the subs been lit up with a flare.

Tried the fix that was posted elsewhere in the forums but it didn't work.

Rubini 02-14-08 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faamecanic
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Funny, I thought everything looked great. I'll try the nhancer and check back. :-?

Why in all our screenie postings do the nVidia cards consistently have better renderings than ATI cards. Time after time ATI owners say that even though they don't see the solar halo they like their images. I have never encountered an nVidia owner saying they have a problem with sun halo, and seldom with any of the other problems mentioned. Color me skeptic, but I'm checking anyway.

Back in the day when I "upgraded" my ATI 7800 PRO to a NVIDIA 6800, I noticed waves in the distance shimmered and were jaggy. I bet this is why... (the compatability mode).

Then when I bought my new rig with twin 8800GTs I still have the crappy wave shimmer/jaggies in the distance, as well as now with SH4 I have a HALO around my sub.

Yes, this is what I have tried to say with this thread: the guys that already had an ATI card note the difference in image quality at the first moment that they start the game with a Nvidia card: jaggies and impossible to have the same quality than we had with ATI (even because if you try to use the same very good type of AA you will end in poor FPS or little bugs).

Faamecanic 02-18-08 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini
Quote:

Originally Posted by Faamecanic
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Funny, I thought everything looked great. I'll try the nhancer and check back. :-?

Why in all our screenie postings do the nVidia cards consistently have better renderings than ATI cards. Time after time ATI owners say that even though they don't see the solar halo they like their images. I have never encountered an nVidia owner saying they have a problem with sun halo, and seldom with any of the other problems mentioned. Color me skeptic, but I'm checking anyway.

Back in the day when I "upgraded" my ATI 7800 PRO to a NVIDIA 6800, I noticed waves in the distance shimmered and were jaggy. I bet this is why... (the compatability mode).

Then when I bought my new rig with twin 8800GTs I still have the crappy wave shimmer/jaggies in the distance, as well as now with SH4 I have a HALO around my sub.

Yes, this is what I have tried to say with this thread: the guys that already had an ATI card note the difference in image quality at the first moment that they start the game with a Nvidia card: jaggies and impossible to have the same quality than we had with ATI (even because if you try to use the same very good type of AA you will end in poor FPS or little bugs).

Actually it was a 9800Pro that I had...and Still have in an old system. Just for grins I loaded SH3 on it and even though that card is 3 yrs old, it STILL makes SH3 look 1,000% better that my 2 8800GTS'es in SLI....

Wish I would have thought of that before I built this system...but at the time I wasnt playing SH3 anymore :nope:

Needless to say my next PC will have ATI card(s).

So basically there is no cure for the distant "shimmering/jaggy water"? I tried the recommended optimizations here and it still looked poor. I even tried Supersampling (and did not notice a huge fps hit).... looked the same to me. Or is SSAA 4X4 and Supersampling with 4XAA different? EDIT: Ooops...reread your post rubini and forgot to set the EA strategy game mode ....need to try that next.

Doolittle81 02-18-08 01:26 PM

Just a thought: have you tried using just one card and NOT trying to run SH4 in SLI?? I have a single Nvidea 8800GTX 768Mb and have never had a problem with Jaggies or the other problems mentioned.

Faamecanic 02-18-08 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubini
at day light the image is soberb but...what is pissing me of is that the nights in LCD monitor are too dark and (if you just put more bright) the sea texture just isn´t good at night. I´m in the point that I will try to really make another ENV files (for night only) just to have better textures on a LCD pannel. Do you also have this "at night" colors/degrade problems/poor image on your LCD?:hmm:

Just a botton note: we in the GWX team already tried to port SH3 to a wide view (messing with the cameras FOV) but without success.:damn:

Rubini...I have the same problem with my LCD (Dell 2001FP I bought like 3 yrs ago). The night is so dark I can barely see my WATCH OFFICER..let alone a ship 500+m in front of me. I have been begging for an alternative night time fix or SH3Commander fix for 2 yrs now...

And to change any settings for night, makes daytime look washed out and terrible.

Faamecanic 02-18-08 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doolittle81
Just a thought: have you tried using just one card and NOT trying to run SH4 in SLI?? I have a single Nvidea 8800GTX 768Mb and have never had a problem with Jaggies or the other problems mentioned.

Yep... noticed the ocean in the distance didnt look good back when I had a single Nvidia 6800.

prologos 02-20-08 07:27 AM

Hello all!
I have a slight problem. When I am in port and also yesterday when I played a single mission involving a big naval battle my fps drop from 75 to 10-15. If I Alt-tab and then reenter the game the fps go to 25 but again there is a very big difference beetwen 75-25. Do you have any ideas? I tried setting the affinity of SH4 to 1 core but the situation is the same. I also run nHanser with the settings posted by rubini in the first post of this forum.
My rig is:
intel core duo 4400
2GB mushkin RAM interleaved (2x1 GB)
XFX 8800 GTS 320MB
Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS
WD 300 GB HD + Maxtor 80GB HD
I run the game at 1280x1024 at a NEC 19" CRT

hachiman 02-23-08 09:42 AM

I have a 8600GT and quite a hi spec rig.
But i find the graphics in SH4 seem quite grainy.
It's like the screens dirty(Which it's not!!).

Any ideas why?

Thanx

AVGWarhawk 02-23-08 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hachiman
I have a 8600GT and quite a hi spec rig.
But i find the graphics in SH4 seem quite grainy.
It's like the screens dirty(Which it's not!!).

Any ideas why?

Thanx

Do you have the Post Process Filtering checked? If so, this creates the grainy effect.

col_Kurtz 03-03-08 01:12 PM

ATI vs nVidia
 
-If you have any comment or any other tip to enhance the SH3/4 experience when using nVidia hardware please share it with us!

Good Hunting!:up:

Rubini.[/quote]

So... A few words, just a few;)
My graphic card is: ATI Radeon X1300 - 1550 Pro, 256MB, I heard, that is really bad card, but... I change nVidia (7300 LE - that`s really sh..e card!) and... what a surprise! SH 4... settings highest and patch 1.3, them 1.4 - great, lovely. I`m not sure FPS, but it looks really good, amazing and I really love taht game, for sunshine, sunrise, ocean... and, what more? Well, for ships and battle - of course, magnat for me and I can`t wait for U-boat Expansion pack - it will be great adventure.
So, I don`t know better nVidia, but, I heard about problems with that card, shaders and I think... ATI is bit better for that :D
I found this link after installation GWX2... Hum. SH4 is fantastic, SH3...:hmm: No comments. Good game, but...

Thanks

bratwurstdimsum 03-07-08 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini
(I also posted the same on SH3 general forum because i guess that this is really usefull)

Hi folks,

After some days in tests and with the help of our mates Periscope and mikaelanderlund, I finally finish my concise guide to enhance the image quality in SH3/4 using nHancer and Nvidia cards.
To finish - nHancer best settings for good image quality without any noticeable problem in SH3/4:[/B]
-in the main page at your right check Global, then in

- Enhancements page:
check MultiSampling 4x
check Super- Transparency AA
check AF 16x or 8x
check Vertical Sync Applicaion,

- Optimizations page:
check Texture filtering High Quality
check Tril. opt. Off
check Aniso sample opt. Off
check Neg LOd Bias Clamp
leave all the others settings unchanged

Good Hunting!:up:

Rubini.


THANK YOU THANK YOU

You turned a slightly laggy game into a smooth simulated fighting machine!

Not sure what everyone else is grumbling about, but at least my game is a game again not just a beautiful postcard.

Doolittle81 03-07-08 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini
(I also posted the same on SH3 general forum because i guess that this is really usefull)

Hi folks,

After some days in tests and with the help of our mates Periscope and mikaelanderlund, I finally finish my concise guide to enhance the image quality in SH3/4 using nHancer and Nvidia cards.
To finish - nHancer best settings for good image quality without any noticeable problem in SH3/4:[/b]
-in the main page at your right check Global, then in

- Enhancements page:
check MultiSampling 4x
check Super- Transparency AA
check AF 16x or 8x
check Vertical Sync Applicaion,

- Optimizations page:
check Texture filtering High Quality
check Tril. opt. Off
check Aniso sample opt. Off
check Neg LOd Bias Clamp
leave all the others settings unchanged

Good Hunting!:up:

Rubini.

What about your previously recommended selection of "20000000:EA Strategy Games" on the compatibility page?

1480 03-07-08 02:44 PM

DL8, I've been running what he suggested since the 1st post, including the EA2000000000000 setting and looks great, 8600gt.

Rockin Robbins 03-07-08 03:44 PM

Run Rubini's settings
 
Only exception being the 7900 GS or any card that gives you the zebra effect in my previous post. Even there do not turn off the "20000000:EA Strategy Games" compatibility setting, just check the "enhance in-game AA setting" box like I did and all Rubini's improvements will work for you too.

You can ignore all the stuff about not exceeding 2x AA and all. Trust Rubini and you'll love the results.


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